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10-16-2022, 04:41 PM
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all of those calculations do not take into account this:
if more than 1 of the entries in the box or play is frontrunning speed then it's very likely that one or more of them will burn out and not be in the top 2
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10-16-2022, 04:59 PM
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the win pool is usually efficient and generally reflects fairly accurately the odds of a horse winning after the takeout is considered
but in the situation mentioned in the above post the win odds do not accurately reflect the horse's chance of coming in 2nd
the calculations referenced always assume that the horse's chance of coming in 2nd are accurately reflected in the exacta payout
and that is not the case
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Last edited by Half Smoke; 10-16-2022 at 05:02 PM.
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10-16-2022, 05:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elhelmete
Topping a zombie thread from 13 years ago...a new narcissistic low.
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10-16-2022, 05:34 PM
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After 13 years Formula had managed an excel spreadsheet that doesn't work properly....
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10-16-2022, 07:23 PM
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what an easy game.
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correction
THE PROBABILITY OF A HORSE WINNING IS (1/(ODDS+1))/ THE RACES TOTAL BOOK PERCENTAGE.
THE TOTAL BOOK PERCENTAGE FOR A TRACK WITH A 15% TAKE OUT SUMS TO 1.1765
THE PROBABILITY OF ANY HORSE WINNING IS (1/(ODDS+1))/1.18
TAG THE WIN HORSES WIN PROBABILITY WITH "A"
TAG THE PLACE HORSE WIN PROBABILITY WITH "B"
EXACTA PROBABILITY PROBABILITY FOR A/B IS:
A X (B/(1-A))
EXAMPLE: A HORSE ODDS =2-1, B HORSE ODDS = 3-1, TRACK TAKE OUT IS 15%
A HORSE WIN PROBABILITY IS (1/(2+1))/1.1765 = .28332
B HORSE WIN PROBABILITY IS (1/(3+1)/1.1765 = .21249
PROBABILITY FOR THE A/B COMBINATION IS,
.28332 x(.21249/(1-.28332)) = .0840
THAT EQUATES TO A $1 RETURN OF (1/.084)= 11.90
THE FAIR $1 PAYOUT IS $11.90
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10-16-2022, 11:35 PM
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TODAY'S EXAMPLE OVERLAY
Belmont at the Big A* Race 2
"A" TRACK WIN ODDS $5.00
"B" TRACK WIN ODDS $1.00
WIN POOL TRACK TAKE OUT % 0.150
A WIN % 0.142
B WIN %' 0.425
WINNING EX COMBINATION 4/7
EXACTA PROBABILITY % 0.0701
MIN $1 EXACTA RETURN $14.26
ACTUAL $1 RETURN $18.90
15% overlay min ret $16.39
20% overlay min ret $17.11
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10-25-2022, 06:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by formula_2002
TODAY'S EXAMPLE OVERLAY
Belmont at the Big A* Race 2
"A" TRACK WIN ODDS $5.00
"B" TRACK WIN ODDS $1.00
WIN POOL TRACK TAKE OUT % 0.150
A WIN % 0.142
B WIN %' 0.425
WINNING EX COMBINATION 4/7
EXACTA PROBABILITY % 0.0701
MIN $1 EXACTA RETURN $14.26
ACTUAL $1 RETURN $18.90
15% overlay min ret $16.39
20% overlay min ret $17.11
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Fair exacta is $14.63 on a $1 wager. NYRA takeout on WPS is 16%.
15% overlay is $16.82, 20% is $17.55.
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10-25-2022, 09:53 PM
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what an easy game.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vikingrob
Fair exacta is $14.63 on a $1 wager. NYRA takeout on WPS is 16%.
15% overlay is $16.82, 20% is $17.55.
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Actually, when you sum 1.(odd+1) for all horse, the booking % is 1.2055, making the take on this race 0.1705
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10-26-2022, 10:11 AM
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what an easy game.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by formula_2002
Actually, when you sum 1/(odd+1) for all horse, the booking % is 1.2055, making the take on this race 0.1705
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clarification
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10-28-2022, 08:33 PM
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a very large exacta overlay in today's 1st at Bel
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10-28-2022, 09:28 PM
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So now you are going to make identical posts in two threads? Upping your post count?? You truly are clueless.
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10-28-2022, 10:50 PM
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what an easy game.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by headhawg
So now you are going to make identical posts in two threads? Upping your post count?? You truly are clueless.
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Thanks for watching . Any analytical comment or are you just passing through.
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10-28-2022, 11:01 PM
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All of the analytical comments about your flawed research have already been posted. They go ignored by you. Your matrix has no basis in reality before the fact. That is why it is f**king useless. Yet you continue posting your crap as if it has meaning to actual horseplayers -- you know, the ones that bet. The only reason to post this nonsense is to up your count. Hint: you'll never catch Tom so just stop with double posts, thread necromancy, and your silliness in Off Topic. Watching? How many people actually view your posts for something other than entertainment value?
And don't your "selections" belong in the Selections section?
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10-29-2022, 04:49 PM
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I know
"A" horse true odds x true odds of horse "B" (figuring with horse A removed and refiguring the the odds of horse B in the "new race" ). To lazy to give an example today.
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10-29-2022, 05:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gekish
"A" horse true odds x true odds of horse "B" (figuring with horse A removed and refiguring the the odds of horse B in the "new race" ). To lazy to give an example today.
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