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wiretowire68 · 03-20-2024, 11:35 AM

Just curious and maybe it has been talked about before in terms of inputting the angles into a software besides the regular pace, speed figures and everyone else's take on horse racing handicapping software. I was just wondering if anyone had used Joe. M. software from Unique Software?

This may sound rhetorical in nature or has been discussed. I have tried Betmix, far too vast. I have looked into HSR with Dave and it blows you away in terms the amount of information that can be provided. There are the simple ideas from the Bris types of software and the old Raebo ideas of spreadsheet handicapping and every person has their own ideas etc.

Second Question? has anyone when they design their software as coders etc tried to emulate or make a version of software where the looks make it easy on the eyes whereby the one thing I found with Valuecapper is that Pizzolla and his team made it look..whereby it is easy to read and to focus. The fact that the software could pull up the form cycle window within the rest of other horses numbers was the best in my opinion. However, I am only one user. As Dave from Pacemakes the Race is doing now is he is the process of putting together a software that has the genius of code. Has anyone ever tried to make their software as presentable and with merit as the DRF.. not the form and not formulator but a kick out software with your input. The question is can it be done because depending on age criteria, I am pretty darn sure that everyone started out with the Daily Racing Form before pp data branched out to Equibase and Bris etc. I would love to be able to design such a thing.

I would also say that as the game goes... I am very surprised that the DRF has not added this as part of a complete screen analysis like every other designer of horse racing software. Love to hear thoughts.

Saratoga · 03-20-2024, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wiretowire68

Just curious and maybe it has been talked about before in terms of inputting the angles into a software besides the regular pace, speed figures and everyone else's take on horse racing handicapping software. I was just wondering if anyone had used Joe. M. software from Unique Software?

This may sound rhetorical in nature or has been discussed. I have tried Betmix, far too vast. I have looked into HSR with Dave and it blows you away in terms the amount of information that can be provided. There are the simple ideas from the Bris types of software and the old Raebo ideas of spreadsheet handicapping and every person has their own ideas etc.

Second Question? has anyone when they design their software as coders etc tried to emulate or make a version of software where the looks make it easy on the eyes whereby the one thing I found with Valuecapper is that Pizzolla and his team made it look..whereby it is easy to read and to focus. The fact that the software could pull up the form cycle window within the rest of other horses numbers was the best in my opinion. However, I am only one user. As Dave from Pacemakes the Race is doing now is he is the process of putting together a software that has the genius of code. Has anyone ever tried to make their software as presentable and with merit as the DRF.. not the form and not formulator but a kick out software with your input. The question is can it be done because depending on age criteria, I am pretty darn sure that everyone started out with the Daily Racing Form before pp data branched out to Equibase and Bris etc. I would love to be able to design such a thing.

I would also say that as the game goes... I am very surprised that the DRF has not added this as part of a complete screen analysis like every other designer of horse racing software. Love to hear thoughts.

Just think...after you sell VC you can buy up all of RPM

wiretowire68 · 03-20-2024, 02:24 PM

I will presume that is a joke? Words can be misconstrued. If it is a not a joke and you are being serious then well, personally I do not find it very funny. Sorry, if you were joking... your right. The thing is Saratoga, first of all my name is Chuck... I do not hide my name when I talk to people as their are enough trolls out there including myself.

The reason for selling Valuecapper or not selling it is the fact that I like to try different things and the truth is Valuecapper is pace software with angles and odds. I like to be able to control my own losing...if that is ok or winning.. If it is a price I need.. someone can buy it at what I am asking or close to it. I do not half to give it away for half.. That person can buy it themselves. RPM. not for me... My rant on here was if "has anyone used Ponypickper and did anyone have opinions on it. I used Betmix.. too me personally way too much. I could my stuff what I like on my spreadsheet ala Raebo only I am not a coder... Secondly, I just often wonder why no one has not approached the Daily racing form files in their data? Is is the price? is the rights? If you care to discuss great..otherwise...

Saratoga · 03-20-2024, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wiretowire68

I will presume that is a joke? Words can be misconstrued. If it is a not a joke and you are being serious then well, personally I do not find it very funny. Sorry, if you were joking... your right. The thing is Saratoga, first of all my name is Chuck... I do not hide my name when I talk to people as their are enough trolls out there including myself.

The reason for selling Valuecapper or not selling it is the fact that I like to try different things and the truth is Valuecapper is pace software with angles and odds. I like to be able to control my own losing...if that is ok or winning.. If it is a price I need.. someone can buy it at what I am asking or close to it. I do not half to give it away for half.. That person can buy it themselves. RPM. not for me... My rant on here was if "has anyone used Ponypickper and did anyone have opinions on it. I used Betmix.. too me personally way too much. I could my stuff what I like on my spreadsheet ala Raebo only I am not a coder... Secondly, I just often wonder why no one has not approached the Daily racing form files in their data? Is is the price? is the rights? If you care to discuss great..otherwise...

It is a joke ...Chuck

What is funny that you are taking a route , that so many of us , did many , many years ago....

Trying to find the next best thing.....let me tell you ...Its easier to find the proverbial needle in the haystack!!

Anyway, you say BetMix is too expensive....compared to Race Lens another online program , its not bad....at half the price
You do have to work at things hard but it can happen..
I created this on Jan 3 , 2024....
Your not going to get that 70-80 ROI or anything close but you will
get that 20-30% ....

Good Luck on your venture....

GH1956 · 03-25-2024, 06:51 PM

I have recently discovered Betmix and I have watched several of the tutorials and I must say it does appear to be somewhat overwhelming, I think I am going to jump in and subscribe and start playing around in angler and bird dog.
My home track is Woodbine which opens in about 5 weeks so I have some time to do some back testing!

Saratoga · 03-25-2024, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GH1956

I have recently discovered Betmix and I have watched several of the tutorials and I must say it does appear to be somewhat overwhelming, I think I am going to jump in and subscribe and start playing around in angler and bird dog.
My home track is Woodbine which opens in about 5 weeks so I have some time to do some back testing!

Break the races down to its components...

Dirt Turf sprint route

I use Claiming races as the point of handicap...

MSW races might need to be separate.....

GH1956 · 03-27-2024, 08:07 PM

Been playing around the last couple of days with Betmix and I feel like I have only scratched the surface...Haven't really found anything yet that makes me jump up and down

Saratoga · 03-27-2024, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GH1956

Been playing around the last couple of days with Betmix and I feel like I have only scratched the surface...Haven't really found anything yet that makes me jump up and down

Can you explain what exactly your using....set - up

maybe I can point you in right direction....

If anyone else whats to join in...please do

GH1956 · 03-28-2024, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Saratoga

Can you explain what exactly your using....set - up

maybe I can point you in right direction....

If anyone else whats to join in...please do

Mostly just in Birddog and Mixmaker right now looking at stuff from Daves videos....I did start looking into past results from my home track in Mixmaker and I think that is where the real value may be...but there are so many options it gets a little overwhelming....I will have the next 4 or 5 days to dig in and see what I can come up with.....Thanks for the offer to help it is appreciated!

Saratoga · 03-28-2024, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GH1956

Mostly just in Birddog and Mixmaker right now looking at stuff from Daves videos....I did start looking into past results from my home track in Mixmaker and I think that is where the real value may be...but there are so many options it gets a little overwhelming....I will have the next 4 or 5 days to dig in and see what I can come up with.....Thanks for the offer to help it is appreciated!

For me , there are 2 options ....

Angler....creating angles using either long/short term data..

Mixmaker using "Create my report" and 'Test my report"

the unfortunate part is that max number of races to use is 100

Which will refer to what's winning now ..

Another downside is that videos were made 7+ years ago and trying to contact

Dave is worthless by him not answering emails..so your pretty much on your

own....it will take a experience/knowledgeable horseplayer to get the program

to a winning form...

Good Luck!!

GH1956 · 03-28-2024, 08:45 AM

Thanks for the info, I did email Dave the first time he responded right away the second time no response...

We`ll see if there is any meat on the Betmix bone, based on results from the last few days I have not really seen any wow results.

I really don`t need to pay someone 50 US dollars a month to point me in the direction of sub 3 dollar winners....I got it for the month so I will play around with it and see if it offers any really value going forward...

Thanks for taking the time!

Gord

Saratoga · 03-28-2024, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GH1956

Thanks for the info, I did email Dave the first time he responded right away the second time no response...

We`ll see if there is any meat on the Betmix bone, based on results from the last few days I have not really seen any wow results.

I really don`t need to pay someone 50 US dollars a month to point me in the direction of sub 3 dollar winners....I got it for the month so I will play around with it and see if it offers any really value going forward...

Thanks for taking the time!

Gord

Same here with dave....he answers the new people to show us he's available

then disappears

One last thing....don't expect outrageous roi's

if you get in the 10-30 % range ..consider it a victory...

Dave Schwartz · 03-28-2024, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Saratoga

Dave is worthless by him not answering emails..so your pretty much on your

Perhaps you could add a last name to comments like this.

:lol

wiretowire68 · 03-28-2024, 12:41 PM

Dave and I and my name is Chuck and I am from Toronto, Ontario. Canada. I do not necessarily agree with everything Dave says but is that not what healthy debate and respecting opinions of people and others on such a wonderful form to ask questions, learn from people and give opinions.

I know Dave is business man and has a vast amount of experience in the betting world. I have become a friend and in a short period of time, the man reads, he listens to your opinion and have spoken to him face to face via zoom and first and foremost he is busy running a business and like any business he like anybody continues to try and reinvent his ideas and he is probably a very busy man building a new software for his clients and whomever is interested. I learned a lot from him and I have been a player for 20 years and I started out as just a stupid gambler reading the racing form.

I wanted to learn how to understand pace, so I read Brohammer and I read Sartin, but Dave taught me another way to do pace ratings. I am not kissing his ass but the man is always willing to help and he is a teacher. I have spoken to him personally and always remember like texting or messages, it never conveys the real person until you actually speak with them in person.

I like to learn and maybe I am dumb but I do know just from talking to him, he listens and he gives his opinion and advice, there is no malice involved, he is successful and he knows how to code and design and more than likely if he does not get back to you because he is busy running his business and designing new work for his clients. So, to say he disappears, just an opinion but it is a careless statement.

Everyone on here loves the game of horse racing despite the crooked flaws ingrained but the world would be a hell of lot better if people in general just work on being nice to one another... there is an old saying that I learned after a failed marriage. All you have to say is "We agree to disagree" holding grudges and judgements on here is not the purpose of the forum. It is to discuss the game, give opinions, take a look at controversial issues and give opinions, personal insults are not necessary, everybody has their jealousies and their experiences in the game. Again, not ass kissing but more or less an "OPINION" and if you are not sure, why do you not ask him? My guess is he will tell you... and if you know who he is? he is also trying to teach but he is also a business man selling his concepts. Is that not part of the "American way"

Chuck

wiretowire68 · 03-28-2024, 12:56 PM

If I had the knowledge or even the slightest idea 20 years ago, I myself, would have went back to school and learned coding because trying now it takes time to understand. To implement all these types of different angles and Speed etc to make sense of a live animal running its heart out at times with a little 100 lbs guy trying to guide him to a paycheck.

I would have started back then because I am not a professional gambler but I am a horseplayer who has had some small successes in tournament play but I am going to tell you from my own experience, I have finished dead last in 1 dollar pick and pray tournaments to qualifying for DRF Championships when held to qualifying for the the now defunct World Series of Horse Racing Championship in New Orleans and the defunct Sam's Town Casino tournament in Vegas.. unfortunately I could not play in either one and that was the same year because my Aortic Valve went in my heart. Could not travel and I can count on both hands where I have just missed by dollars and cents to qualify for the NHC and BCBC. I am not bragging, my point is wanting to build your software or others and learning is the enjoyment of it and I have tried and it is ff.........hard. There are some of the best players get back.. multiple times.

Final Point is its hard work learning to do it on a computer and it takes money and effort. If you do not like what someone writes or you are joking, on here tell them you mean it as a joke even if you do not. At least that way, maybe they will be considerate and respond. If you do not like what they say, then there is the option of not responding. Is that not the idea and principle of being able to speak freely. This is the problem and why the world is in so much trouble because the idea of speech is not being conveyed properly at all.