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Old 05-06-2015, 06:18 PM   #31
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As if the customers don't bear the FULL BRUNT of the responsibility for losing THEIR money.
They would, if casinos were required to post odds.
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Old 05-06-2015, 06:19 PM   #32
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As if the customers don't bear the FULL BRUNT of the responsibility for losing THEIR money that THEY gambled away?
Customers have to be protected against their own ignorance.
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Old 05-06-2015, 06:20 PM   #33
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Who cares? Do the casino employees care about all the customers whom the casinos have bankrupted?
And if because of poor economics in Chicagoland, if 20% of your beloved LEO's are laid off are you getting running shoes? Or you get a letter in the mail that your social security will be delayed because China will not lend us any more money. The point is that working people enable you to have the life you currently have. Tomorrow there will be less of them, you will have to make adjustments like everyone else when the fat lady sings.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:09 PM   #34
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Because Las Vegas is much more than gambling.

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Old 05-06-2015, 07:18 PM   #35
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And if because of poor economics in Chicagoland, if 20% of your beloved LEO's are laid off are you getting running shoes? Or you get a letter in the mail that your social security will be delayed because China will not lend us any more money. The point is that working people enable you to have the life you currently have. Tomorrow there will be less of them, you will have to make adjustments like everyone else when the fat lady sings.
Let me tell you something, my friend:

In the gambling business, the financial risk isn't reserved only for the customers. The gambling establishment sometimes loses too. You live by the sword...you die by the sword. The dealers don't care about me...and I don't care about the dealers. No one is guaranteed a job in this country. It's survival of the fittest.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:27 PM   #36
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Customers have to be protected against their own ignorance.
And the gamblers should be shedding tears for the financial misfortunes of the casinos.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:35 PM   #37
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Let me tell you something, my friend:

In the gambling business, the financial risk isn't reserved only for the customers. The gambling establishment sometimes loses too. You live by the sword...you die by the sword. The dealers don't care about me...and I don't care about the dealers. No one is guaranteed a job in this country. It's survival of the fittest.
Hold on there big guy, I never said that it was not so. I am just saying the thousands working in that industry have a effect on you. Your points are well taken, the dealer and you. When we make it all about an us or them game at some point you might be one of those "them". By the way, no one on my end is working in the industry. Overall Vegas & Atlantic City is down it is a sure sign the economy is garbage and bald faces lairs spin the story. So medical marijuana cards for everyone and don't wake up till he's in Hawaii or the green.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:45 PM   #38
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And the gamblers should be shedding tears for the financial misfortunes of the casinos.
Nope. If they can't make a profit with the house edge built into the games, they deserve to go down the tubes. It may be that, just like there are too many tracks running excessively long meets, the industry has built an excess supply of gambling alternatives, and competition is starting to weed out those that are not competitive.

I'm worried that as some of the real losers start threatening to shut down, the politicians will start whining about saving jobs and protecting the unions. And Harry Reid will be the first little piggy with his snout in the public trough.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:06 PM   #39
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Nope. If they can't make a profit with the house edge built into the games, they deserve to go down the tubes. It may be that, just like there are too many tracks running excessively long meets, the industry has built an excess supply of gambling alternatives, and competition is starting to weed out those that are not competitive.

I'm worried that as some of the real losers start threatening to shut down, the politicians will start whining about saving jobs and protecting the unions. And Harry Reid will be the first little piggy with his snout in the public trough.
Well...the casino moguls have been greasing politician palms for many years now. It might be payback time.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:19 PM   #40
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Who cares? Do the casino employees care about all the customers whom the casinos have bankrupted?
It's not like they are banks, or something slimy like that.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:45 PM   #41
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Many casinos have failed to change with the times.
Caesars, I believe, has been caught in this trap at many of it's properties.

Over-staffing and overpaid execs, who make questionable
contributions to the company.
Been happening for some time now, even as business declined.
CEOs who are most concerned with their own salaries, and do little
to make necessary cuts at management level - especially within
senior management.

The cuts in staffing that they are most inclined to make are at the lower paid, hourly positions.
People who are in the front line of customer service.
They often cut these positions to the bone, citing the high cost of benefits, etc.,
and the company suffers along with their customers.

Here's a small example at one of Caesar's properties on Derby Day.
Race/Sportsbook business was through the roof on Saturday with
the Derby in the afternoon, and the big fight that night.
Lines to place bets were huge - like they were 20 years ago.
Trouble is, staffing is a fraction of what it once was.

It became "survival of the fittest" to get your money down.
Two ticket writers I spoke with on Sunday had worked 12 and 16 hour shifts.
That's life at a Caesar's property these days.
A history of mismanagement has caught up to them.

The number crunchers with the REIT companies will do
their very best to make it all look okay, though.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:53 PM   #42
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Its incredible that a company accepting bets on horse racing with no risk, inhaling money on slot machines and taking 1.10 and paying back 1.00 on sports bets could ever be anything but flush with cash.
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Its incredible that a company accepting bets on horse racing with no risk, inhaling money on slot machines and taking 1.10 and paying back 1.00 on sports bets could ever be anything but flush with cash.
Business declined due to both the recession and the spread of gambling.
Salaries and expenses did not follow suit at the same rate.
That leads to problems.

I should have added that the ticket writers were happy that
Mayweather won the fight. 80-90% of tickets written were
on Pacquiao - the lines to cash would still be there had he won.
Plenty of large wagers on Mayweather kept the line fairly steady.
The public always bets the underdog in big fights.
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The dealers don't care about me...and I don't care about the dealers.
True, on the whole.

The customer who tips, or "tokes", the dealers, gets their undivided attention.
Those who don't?
Ehhhh......
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:32 PM   #45
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True, on the whole.

The customer who tips, or "tokes", the dealers, gets their undivided attention.
Those who don't?
Ehhhh......
How do the casinos view their customers, H4C?
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