Detailed racetrack dimensions?

I realize this may be considered a strange request, but is anyone aware of information about the major racetracks in the US about their specific dimensions?

I don't mean just circumference, but, for instance, the exact length of the straight, distance from last turn to finish line, distance from finish line to turn and the radius/sharpness of the turn?

Information about the 3 Triple Crown racetracks would be especially appreciated.

[cj's dad]

This info has been here numerous times. Go to DRF.com and you will access all that you need to know.

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by RobinFromIreland

I realize this may be considered a strange request, but is anyone aware of information about the major racetracks in the US about their specific dimensions?

I don't mean just circumference, but, for instance, the exact length of the straight, distance from last turn to finish line, distance from finish line to turn and the radius/sharpness of the turn?

Information about the 3 Triple Crown racetracks would be especially appreciated.

CD 1 mile sandy loam. One chute 1 mile, distance from Derby start to finish line 1320 feet. Track is 120 feet wide at Derby start. Last turn to finish line 1234.5 feet. Dist from finish line to first turn= 113.5 feet
Width of stretch 80 feet, back stretch 79 feet

Belmont: 1 1/2 mile oval. Turf course 1 5/16 27 feet, inner turf 1 3/16 plus 103 feet. Sandy loam width of backstretch 90 feet, Dist from finish line to 1st turn 843 feet,dist from last turn to finish line 1097 feet

Pimlico one mile oval loam. Turf course 7/8ths, two chutes three quarters mile and mile and one quarter, dist last turn to finish line 1152 feet, dist. finish line to first turn 162 feet, width of backstretch 70 feet front and back

[JeremyJet]

Originally Posted by RobinFromIreland

I realize this may be considered a strange request, but is anyone aware of information about the major racetracks in the US about their specific dimensions?

I don't mean just circumference, but, for instance, the exact length of the straight, distance from last turn to finish line, distance from finish line to turn and the radius/sharpness of the turn?

Information about the 3 Triple Crown racetracks would be especially appreciated.

The American Racing Manual has all the info you need. You can get a copy at the Daily Racing Form.

The new ARM goes for $40, but you can get an older one for like $20 if it's still in stock.

Regards,

JeremyJet

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by RobinFromIreland

I realize this may be considered a strange request, but is anyone aware of information about the major racetracks in the US about their specific dimensions?

I don't mean just circumference, but, for instance, the exact length of the straight, distance from last turn to finish line, distance from finish line to turn and the radius/sharpness of the turn?

Information about the 3 Triple Crown racetracks would be especially appreciated.

I have posted the following tracks on the forum before and I will post Saratoga and Belmont very soon.

[Dave Schwartz]

Cratos,

Nice. Where did you get this info?


Dave

Originally Posted by Cratos

I have posted the following tracks on the forum before and I will post Saratoga and Belmont very soon.

Thank you so much!

[domino1891]

Originally Posted by JeremyJet

The American Racing Manual has all the info you need. You can get a copy at the Daily Racing Form.

The new ARM goes for $40, but you can get an older one for like $20 if it's still in stock.

Regards,

JeremyJet

ARM goes for $26.40 at amazon (free shipping) http://www.amazon.com/American-Racin...4842558&sr=1-1

Older ones on ebay from time to time. I just got the 1947 (1946 records) for $8.00 + shipping.

DO NOT waste your money on the 2003 model.

[Dave Schwartz]

Does the ARM have track dimensions for everytrack?

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Cratos,

Nice. Where did you get this info?


Dave

I have kept racetrack dimensions of all North America racetracks since 1973 and I have put them into 2 dimension drawings. My next step will be to put them into 3 dimension drawings to show the effect of banking on the turns. Also I have the dimensions of most of the foreign racetracks.

[Dave Schwartz]

Cratos,

Is there any way we can talk you into going public with those dimensions? (as in the drawings?)

Dave

[michiken]

Originally Posted by Cratos

I have kept racetrack dimensions of all North America racetracks since 1973 and I have put them into 2 dimension drawings. My next step will be to put them into 3 dimension drawings to show the effect of banking on the turns. Also I have the dimensions of most of the foreign racetracks.

I recall seeing a CAD program that has a Google Earth plugin. It allows you to scan things in 3d. I will do some searching later today and post it if I can find it again.

[domino1891]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Does the ARM have track dimensions for everytrack?

Not sure about for everytrack. They have most, but I have no master list to compare with. This is an example of what the 2006 ARM has for Pimlico (a quick photo):


If you get a chance to find an older ARM, they have many tracks that are long gone.

[Thomas Roulston]

The last edition of The American Racing Manual that showed actual maps of the track layouts was the 1981 edition. Don't know why they ever stopped doing so.

The 1987 edition did not have such maps. Did they bring them back as domino suggests?

[JerryBoyle]

Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Cratos,

Is there any way we can talk you into going public with those dimensions? (as in the drawings?)

Dave

Yep, this would be awesome. Somehow standardizing format across tracks with distance from poc to poc + distance of any stretch/run up would be great to then dump to a csv.

It blows my mind that this info along with track takes/breakage/min payouts aren't available over time and by track in an easily downloadable format...