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Old 06-20-2018, 09:31 AM   #1
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Controversial Thread Alert! Super Trainers. Good for the game? Bad for the game?

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter

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He (Chad Brown) apologizes for nothing.

I am doing a service to the industry by taking certain clients that I have had and doubling and tripling or even quadrupling the amount of horses they own since they first hired me, he said. Thats because they have had success with us. These are people who, if they were in another barn and werent doing as well, might not be in the game any longer. Be careful throwing too many arrows at the larger, successful stables that are cultivating owners, increasing the amount of dollars spent and the overall commerce in the sport. That trickles down to the breeders, the racetrack owners and others.

To be a super trainer, you must be like Brown, focused solely on your career and willing to forego any sort of normal life.

Theres a price for this, said Mark Casse, who trains about 125 horses. We dont have days off. Not even Christmas. Its an all-day deal, an all-night deal. Myself, I thrive on that. I get bored easily.

I work really hard at this, Baffert said. I dont take vacations and I dont go anywhere. Its a lot of hard work and effort and thats why Im rewarded with a lot of good horses.

For the whole article click the link.

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I'm on the record saying that IMO Baffert is the Lance Armstrong of Horse Racing. I base that on the sudden deaths where 7 horses died of heart related issues and were all being given Thyr-L for no apparent reason. Then you add the other worldly success in the worlds biggest races. If the starting offensive line for the super bowl champs all died of the same thing in an 18 month period I'm pretty sure the FBI would investigate.

That's my belief. What's yours?
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"A racetrack veterinarian contacted by the Paulick Report said the practice of routinely administering Thyro-L was not unusual."

Nor was it, I might add, illegal.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ng-wrong-here/
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Old 06-20-2018, 11:05 AM   #4
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"A racetrack veterinarian contacted by the Paulick Report said the practice of routinely administering Thyro-L was not unusual."

Nor was it, I might add, illegal.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ng-wrong-here/
It isn't illegal but it should be. Giving any drugs looking for a performance edge and not treating a condition is a sad reality of the sport.
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"A racetrack veterinarian contacted by the Paulick Report said the practice of routinely administering Thyro-L was not unusual."

Nor was it, I might add, illegal.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ng-wrong-here/
That's BS. It's highly unusual. He should've done more research. Everyone in the industry knows what was going on here, and which outfits suddenly started giving their horses Thyro-L and why.
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He (Chad Brown) apologizes for nothing.

I am doing a service to the industry by taking certain clients that I have had and doubling and tripling or even quadrupling the amount of horses they own since they first hired me, he said. Thats because they have had success with us. These are people who, if they were in another barn and werent doing as well, might not be in the game any longer. Be careful throwing too many arrows at the larger, successful stables that are cultivating owners, increasing the amount of dollars spent and the overall commerce in the sport. That trickles down to the breeders, the racetrack owners and others.

To be a super trainer, you must be like Brown, focused solely on your career and willing to forego any sort of normal life.

Theres a price for this, said Mark Casse, who trains about 125 horses. We dont have days off. Not even Christmas. Its an all-day deal, an all-night deal. Myself, I thrive on that. I get bored easily.

I work really hard at this, Baffert said. I dont take vacations and I dont go anywhere. Its a lot of hard work and effort and thats why Im rewarded with a lot of good horses.

For the whole article click the link.

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...FPFq7Q.twitter
Poor babies. Only these guys work hard. None of the other trainers work nearly as hard as they do. <huge eyeroll>
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"A racetrack veterinarian contacted by the Paulick Report said the practice of routinely administering Thyro-L was not unusual."

Nor was it, I might add, illegal.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...ng-wrong-here/
Do you buy the explanation for the sudden deaths? Remember during the investigation the CHRB Commissioner and B.B.'s friend sat in his box on a regular basis. No other Trainer anywhere would have been allowed to train during that investigation. It was swept under the rug and covered up IMO because B.B. was too big to fail.
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Poor babies. Only these guys work hard. None of the other trainers work nearly as hard as they do. <huge eyeroll>
I got the same feeling as you. They make me puke.
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I got the same feeling as you. They make me puke.
It's a tough life. They work 24/7/365 for the most part. But to talk as if it's only the "super trainers" who work that schedule is insulting to every non-super-trainer out there. Yes, maybe that one guy with 15 horses doesn't have as long of hours, but he's a very small, almost "part-time" trainer. The normal trainers ALL work those long hours. If anything, it may even be easier for the "super trainers" because they can and do afford to hire great assistants who do a lot of the work.
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That's BS. It's highly unusual. He should've done more research. Everyone in the industry knows what was going on here, and which outfits suddenly started giving their horses Thyro-L and why.
If it's highly unusual, why did the vet that Paulick Report reached out to say it wasn't unusual?

Who should I believe? A vet reported by Ray Paulick or "Fager Fan"?
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It isn't illegal but it should be. Giving any drugs looking for a performance edge and not treating a condition is a sad reality of the sport.
Agree completely. Just wanted to point out some facts to those who might be unaware.
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Do you buy the explanation for the sudden deaths? Remember during the investigation the CHRB Commissioner and B.B.'s friend sat in his box on a regular basis. No other Trainer anywhere would have been allowed to train during that investigation. It was swept under the rug and covered up IMO because B.B. was too big to fail.
The explanation is BB ****ed up.

So he stopped using the drug, since, I guess, they came to the conclusion that was the cause?

But if it isn't unusual to use it, as the article states, then a lot more horses should be dropping dead...and they aren't.
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It's a tough life. They work 24/7/365 for the most part. But to talk as if it's only the "super trainers" who work that schedule is insulting to every non-super-trainer out there. Yes, maybe that one guy with 15 horses doesn't have as long of hours, but he's a very small, almost "part-time" trainer. The normal trainers ALL work those long hours. If anything, it may even be easier for the "super trainers" because they can and do afford to hire great assistants who do a lot of the work.
Who cares how long anyone works?

The only thing that matters is winning.

You don't win, you starve.

By any means possible is their mantra.
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I think the drug usage by the super trainers is rampant and since they've become too-big-to-fail it will only get worse.

Smaller outfits have little chance to compete with these guys.

Something ought to be done, but, who's going to do it?
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