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Old 03-07-2018, 06:59 PM   #196
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A lot of us have taken our wagering dollars and moved them elsewhere. And that is not about to change.

From your response, you are either a horseman or work in track management.
Or just an all-purpose troll.
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Old 03-07-2018, 07:05 PM   #197
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Since the bettors are the ones who want things fixed, why don't the bettors get together and pay for all the updates to fix the things they chronically whine about?
And after the bettors get together to fix the odds-change problem...they should gather up again to raise some more money so they could properly equip the game's drug-testing laboratories...RIGHT? After all...no-one else seems to care about the drug problem in the game either.
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Old 03-07-2018, 11:21 PM   #198
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And after the bettors get together to fix the odds-change problem...they should gather up again to raise some more money so they could properly equip the game's drug-testing laboratories...RIGHT? After all...no-one else seems to care about the drug problem in the game either.
Now you are starting to get it!

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Old 03-08-2018, 02:08 AM   #199
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Since the bettors are the ones who want things fixed, why don't the bettors get together and pay for all the updates to fix the things they chronically whine about?
The bettors do provide the funding for this. It is called take out, and breakage. The "whine" you are hearing is the bettors wondering why the tracks spend the money we give them the way they do.
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Old 03-08-2018, 02:56 AM   #200
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I have odds go up regularly. Why are you betting odds that are so close to being unacceptable? If the outcome isn't worth X why are you betting at all? I find this a rational argument for being willfully dumb.
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Old 03-08-2018, 02:57 AM   #201
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Or just an all-purpose troll.
You go boy!
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Old 03-08-2018, 03:03 AM   #202
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Since the bettors are the ones who want things fixed, why don't the bettors get together and pay for all the updates to fix the things they chronically whine about?
This post needs an award for something. Can't quite put a finger on it but it is spectacular!
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Old 03-08-2018, 08:51 AM   #203
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This post needs an award for something. Can't quite put a finger on it but it is spectacular!
How about the Flying Fickle Finger of fate Award?

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Old 03-08-2018, 09:37 AM   #204
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I have odds go up regularly. Why are you betting odds that are so close to being unacceptable? If the outcome isn't worth X why are you betting at all? I find this a rational argument for being willfully dumb.
I guess you're just trolling too, but obviously if some horses' odds are dropping, others are going up. The point is that the odds on the winners are usually the ones that are dropping. There are other possible explanations than cheating or past posting, but pointing out that some horses' odds go up when others go down is simple math, not a solution.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:03 AM   #205
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How the last drop did at Gulfstream did yesterday. The winner is Blue, The betting choice is in green. Odds are shown for when the first horse loaded, the odds of the last dump into the win pool, and final odds.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:10 PM   #206
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How the last drop did at Gulfstream did yesterday. The winner is Blue, The betting choice is in green. Odds are shown for when the first horse loaded, the odds of the last dump into the win pool, and final odds.
Is there supposed to be an image here or something?
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:00 PM   #207
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Is there supposed to be an image here or something?
Yes, but at the moment i am having a problem with the attachment. Working on it.
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:35 PM   #208
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RACE 1 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 LD %
PT ODDS 12-1 3-1 8-5 3-1 5-2 38-1 0.22
ODDS LD 14 7-1 1.3 3-1 7-1 100-1
F ODDS 12-1 7-1 3-2 3-1 3-1 45-1

RACE 2 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 7-2 9-5 30-1 6-1 16-1 6-1 5-2 0.33
ODDS LD 9-2 2-3 200 14-1 80-1 14-1 14-1
F ODDS 7-2 1-1 41-1 7-1 22-1 7-1 7-2

RACE 3 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 LD %
PT ODDS 13-1 2-1 2-1 5-2 17-1 7-2 0.42
ODDS LD 50-1 13-4 11-2 1-1 30-1 15-1
F ODDS 18-1 5-2 5-2 7-5 19-1 5-1

RACE 4 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 8-1 2-1 2-1 9-2 22-1 3-1 0.41
ODDS LD 5-1 7-2 11-4 9-2 80-1 S 11-2
F ODDS 5-1 5-2 2-1 4-1 32-1 7-2

RACE 5 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 LD %
PT ODDS 7-2 8-1 26-1 2-1 9-1 20-1 28-1 9-2 18-1 5-1 0.36
ODDS LD 11-1 15-2 66-1 15-8 25-1 50-1 40-1 4-1 66-1 15-2
F ODDS 9-2 7-1 33-1 9-5 12-1 24-1 28-1 7-2 24-1 5-1

RACE 6 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 10-1 5-1 4-1 5-1 24-1 39-1 3-5 0.35
ODDS LD 9-1 8-1 9-1 12-1 90-1 150-1 4-6
F ODDS 8-1 6-1 5-1 6-1 31-1 51-1 3-5

RACE 7 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 8-1 9-2 13-1 8-5 33-1 2-1 5-1 0.37
ODDS LD 18-1 13-4 16-1 2-1 100-1 9-2 15-2
F ODDS 10-1 7-2 13-1 8-5 41-1 5-2 5-1

RACE 8 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 9-5 9-1 22-1 26-1 47-1 7-1 4-5 0.39
ODDS LD 4-1 35-1 80-1 450-1 660-1 33-1 4-11
F ODDS 2-1 13-1 31-1 42-1 76-1 10-1 2-5

RACE 9 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 LD %
PT ODDS 8-1 3-1 18-1 9-5 LS 11-1 5-2 0.39
ODDS LD 8-1 12-1 40-1 7-2 LS 20-1 13-2
F ODDS 7-1 3-1 16-1 7-5 LS 9-1 2-1

RACE 10 PP 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 LD %
PT ODDS 14-1 7-2 8-1 7-2 7-1 8-1 5-2 15 26 29 0.40
ODDS LD 15-2 5-1 16-1 6-1 15-1 25-1 13-8 55-1 200-1 200-1
F ODDS 9-1 7-2 9-1 4-1 9-1 11-1 9-5 21 39 44
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The bettors do provide the funding for this. It is called take out, and breakage. The "whine" you are hearing is the bettors wondering why the tracks spend the money we give them the way they do.
The flip side of that argument is that racetrack owners provided the funds to build a facility, offer purse money, a means for wagering, etc.

Bettors are merely purchasing a wager.

If you want to fix the problem, get involved.

https://www.ua-rtip.org/

Complete the course, get hired, and fix all the problems.
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The flip side of that argument is that racetrack owners provided the funds to build a facility, offer purse money, a means for wagering, etc.

Bettors are merely purchasing a wager.

If you want to fix the problem, get involved.

https://www.ua-rtip.org/

Complete the course, get hired, and fix all the problems.
The problem-fixing should be done by the racetrack owners, who spent the money to build the facility...NO? I mean...when a grocery store is floundering, should the CUSTOMERS be the ones obligated to "fix" the store's problems? The customers may "whine" about the store's decline...but they don't much care about the store's "future". There is always another store not far away.

The business owners don't just put up the money to "build the facility". They also bear the responsibility associated with keeping the business on sound financial ground. And they shoulder the blame when it's not.
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