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10-22-2011, 05:49 PM
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In Front
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Here is one you will like...You will be a one term president...Steve Jobs to Obama 2010
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10-22-2011, 05:53 PM
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Refugee from Bowie
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Sometimes the f-n you get isn't worth the f-n you get.
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10-22-2011, 07:40 PM
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Librocubicularist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Adams, Jefferson, Einstein and... Bill Maher...
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All atheists/agnostics.
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10-22-2011, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
All atheists/agnostics.
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I thought Jefferson was at least a deist. If he was an atheist or agnostic, what did he mean or who was he talking about, then, in the Declaration of Independence when he referred to "the laws of nature and of nature's God", or when he said that all men were "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"?
Last edited by Overlay; 10-22-2011 at 08:34 PM.
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10-23-2011, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Overlay
I thought Jefferson was at least a deist. If he was an atheist or agnostic, what did he mean or who was he talking about, then, in the Declaration of Independence when he referred to "the laws of nature and of nature's God", or when he said that all men were "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights"?
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To me Jefferson appears to have been an agnostic. When he wrote the Declaration of Independence I think he had his audience in mind. I quite often use religious phraseology in my day to day life even though I don't believe in it. I live in a culture of religion.
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10-23-2011, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Actor
To me Jefferson appears to have been an agnostic. When he wrote the Declaration of Independence I think he had his audience in mind. I quite often use religious phraseology in my day to day life even though I don't believe in it. I live in a culture of religion.
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That may be, but Jefferson was not just engaging in casual conversation. He was providing a formal justification for rebelling against an established system of government. If he genuinely thought that the "rights" he spoke of did not come from an authority that was higher than that government, what quarrel would he have had with the government's power to take away those rights? Where would the people's right to alter or abolish that form of government have come from? And would he have taken the personal risks that were involved in attempting to overthrow that government, if he himself did not truly believe that that course of action was justified by reference to a higher authority?
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10-26-2011, 02:27 PM
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Location: Ohio
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"If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you then you don't understand the situation." - unknown
"If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you then you are the one working the guillotine." - unknown
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10-26-2011, 08:23 PM
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Software Developer
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OK, this is a joke but there are some "great quotes" in it:
The teacher said, "Let's begin by reviewing some American History. Who said 'Give me Liberty , or give me Death'?"
She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little Akio, a bright foreign exchange student from Japan , who had his hand up: 'Patrick Henry, 1775' he said.
'Very good!' Who said, 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall not perish from the Earth?'
Again, no response except from Little Akio: 'Abraham Lincoln, 1863'.
'Excellent!', said the teacher continuing, 'let's try one a bit more difficult...'
Who said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?'
Once again, Akio's was the only hand in the air and he said: 'John F. Kennedy, 1961'.
The teacher snapped at the class, 'Class, you should be ashamed of yourselves, Little Akio isn't from this country and he knows more about our history than you do.'
She heard a loud whisper: 'F_ _ k the Japs,'
'Who said that? I want to know right now!' she angrily demanded.
Little Akio put his hand up, 'General MacArthur, 1945.'
At that point, a student in the back said, 'I'm gonna puke.'
The teacher glares around and asks, 'All right!!! Now who said that!?'
Again, Little Akio says, 'George Bush to the Japanese Prime Minister, 1991.'
Now furious, another student yells, 'Oh yeah? Suck this!'
Little Akio jumps out of his chair waving his hand and shouts to the teacher, 'Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!'
Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, 'You little shit. If you say anything else, I'll kill you.'
Little Akio frantically yells at the top of his voice, 'Michael Jackson to the children testifying against him, 2004.'
The teacher fainted. As the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, 'Oh shit, We're screwed!'
Little Akio said quietly, 'The American people, November 4, 2008.'
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10-26-2011, 10:25 PM
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Registered User
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"drinks on the house"
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10-27-2011, 03:41 PM
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"Life is an opinion"
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10-27-2011, 03:58 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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"facilis descensus Averno"
P. Vergilius Maro
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10-27-2011, 05:48 PM
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Deceased (1954-2012)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTM Al
"facilis descensus Averno"
P. Vergilius Maro
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Isn't it, though!
Thanks, Al. ***
From the same poet:
Sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt.
-- Aeneid, Bk. I, line 462
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10-27-2011, 06:10 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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In vino veritas.
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10-27-2011, 06:50 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by falconridge
Isn't it, though!
Thanks, Al. ***
From the same poet:
Sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt.
-- Aeneid, Bk. I, line 462
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Of course in Book 1 "Arma virumque cano" is an immortal opening, but what I love is how the beginning of the Iliad is also cleverly snuck in by Vergil in line 37, the first spoken words "Mene incepto". When read the need to remove hiatus between words would drop that "e", so you are left with "Men' in" on those first two syllables sounding just like "mhnin". Being that it means "wrath" in Greek, only builds the pun.
Have to say my favorite line is a little more obscure, Book IX lines 313-14
"....sed aurae
omnia discerpunt et nubibus inrita donant."
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10-30-2011, 02:44 AM
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Librocubicularist
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"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." - Mark Twain
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