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Old 02-10-2007, 08:27 AM   #31
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He admitted that he does read the comments, and he seemed truly hurt by what he has read. Hey, the guy's human right? Truth be told, I have met many of the TVG on-air talent (sounds much better than "talking heads" IMHO) on a trip to Del Mar and at Emerald Downs. They were all first-class to talk to. In fact, I think that they honestly view themselves as ambassadors to the sport and take that role very seriously.
I am sure your are right, I'm sure all of them are nice guys and decent handicappers. But they are hurting racing with their stream of $50 Pick 4 bets that they continuously hawk, encouraging people to go to the web site where you to can lose your butt betting these mythical selections which they give out but most probably never really bet on.

TVG people if you read this thread "Stop Doing This" If you have a play and you really believe in it and would bet it yourself then put it out there. While you at it put your overall ROI out there as well to give your viewers some reason to either run to the web and bet your selection or pass and bet their own play.

And guys how about a pick 3, a tri, a dime super. When you actually bet is all you do is play every pick 4 in sight? Have you ever said "I'm going to pass this one. It is not a good play"?

How about giving each "expert" a weekly bank roll let them handicap post their picks and keep score. Show us your ROI, and if you go bust or not. Lets get real.

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Old 02-10-2007, 08:36 AM   #32
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yeah, i never understood their obsession with the pick 4........they play every pick 4 in sight......i honestly cant remember the last time i played a pick 4
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Old 02-10-2007, 08:43 AM   #33
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yeah, i never understood their obsession with the pick 4........they play every pick 4 in sight......i honestly cant remember the last time i played a pick 4
well,i like the pick 4,but i pick my spots, where i have a solid opinion....the TVG
guy's throw out 2 a day at 50 a pop and TODD is already down about
500 and he's only 1 month in to the year.
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Old 02-10-2007, 08:43 AM   #34
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i can tell you,i've had TVG from the day they started broadcasting{i live in KY}.
i used to get annoyed at TODD{hands down the worst handicapper}MATT{JIM
CRAMER of MAD MONEY oughta be pissed}and KEN{please ESPN,take this guy!}...........but now,i hit the mute,bring up the sound when they go in the gate, and TVG is great!
That should be a TVG Interactive feature, auto-mute the talking heads.
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Old 02-10-2007, 01:46 PM   #35
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The only thing that I would suggest to TVG is to keep your schedule, If you have 2 races going off at the same time then as soon as the first one is finished show the 2nd one. A schedule should be seen as a promise, showing 30 minutes latter the stretch call is not good enough.


Priority no#1 is showing in their entiriety the races on your schedule, everything else comes second.
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Old 02-11-2007, 06:59 AM   #36
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thanks ranch

while a host's goal is to inform, many of the TVG hosts are
either uniformed, horribly boring and/ or obnoxious, and continue to delve
on their pick 3//4/6 ticket, all of which contain horrible picks and
value and continually lose, which make the everyday selection process
both tedious and useless.

The atest tactic appears to be calling for an inquiry immediately after
a race on minor infractions, and generally missing the obvious ones!


Of the "value" commentators on the air, I'd place Gary Stevens
on top for the commentary on the pace of the race from a Jockey's standpoint,
as well as judging the body language of a horse during warmup to post.


Granted I'll never get to see my Damon Runyon Icon, Mr. Pack,but I would agree Jeff Siegel provides keen wit and good information from
an owner's point and together, both commentators provide a level of
intelligence and personality acceptable to most handicappers and
racing fans.

After that, my third choice(s) are Simon Bray and Jill Byrne, and thereafter,
on stakes races, special interviews with the trainers, and knowledgeable handicappers such as Beyer, Brown, Pizzola.



one real possibility could be to have a pre race
program with these hosts(or other capable parties) express their
opinion each day on both networks to create a more professional
approach to racing fans, both new and old.

odds on this are 99-1, but I have won on these bets before
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:21 AM   #37
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Gary Stevens does a credible job on TVG,however,he just comes in for the
STAKES days.....yesterday,I heard maybe the worst MIKE BATTAGLIA call
ever{believe me,i've heard a lot}.....THE TVG hosts,not one mention that
he called the wrong horse the winner,and mangled the call the entire race!
TP RACE 5,it's a classic...2/10

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Old 03-15-2007, 06:23 PM   #38
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Have to give credit where the credit is due. Simon Bray nailed the pick 6 carryover with his on air ticket in Wednesday 14MAR. Out of all the TVG hosts he has the best mix of knowledge/handicapping/personality/sense of humour. The score paid 6800 some odd dollars.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:35 PM   #39
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Well then, if they value their percentage of the handle, then they should have shown that race I was waiting until the last minute to wager on...since they didn't show it, I did not wager. I'm sure I'm not the only one....

When it's early in the afternoon, and you only have THREE tracks featured, and there are NO post-time conflicts, how do you NOT show a live race in favor of a couple of guys going over their pick-4 tickets?

I can understand when there are multiple races going off at the same time....something has to get pushed back....but today's instance that I wrote about at the start of this thread is inexcusable in my opinion.

Totally agree. And like someone else pointed out have had 8 years to figure it out. Sad thing is when they still have post time conflicts with 2-3 tracks
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:37 PM   #40
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I am also convinced that TVG personnel have never heard of an exacta or trifecta- except to report the payoffs. Never seems to occur to them that they can be bet or discussed.
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:24 PM   #41
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I am also convinced that TVG personnel have never heard of an exacta or trifecta- except to report the payoffs. Never seems to occur to them that they can be bet or discussed.
The fact that they consistently all do this certainly suggests that it is an executive decision.

It's all so phoney. Watch when they stand up! They have on a dress shirt, tie and sports coat. When they stand up, they're in jeans.

The rules need to be relaxed so they have more latitude for being individuals. They've had the same schtick for too long.
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Old 03-16-2007, 12:14 AM   #42
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I was stuck watching both TVG and HRTV last weekend, my satellite was out for track feeds and my bigest problem with both is they fail to show the post parades.

It doesn't seem to matter who is showing California racing (currently HRTV), but they talk about it all the time and screw the rest of the tracks.

They all talk way tooooooooooooooo much.

Well said.......
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:21 AM   #43
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Too much talking on that show and too little racing.
The reason? perhaps somthing like this.
Cost to talk ,1 unit per minuet
Cost for racing signal, 100 units per minuet..
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Old 03-16-2007, 09:56 AM   #44
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Too much talking on that show and too little racing.
The reason? perhaps somthing like this.
Cost to talk ,1 unit per minuet
Cost for racing signal, 100 units per minuet..
So a replay five minutes later is cheaper than a live broadcast?
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:03 AM   #45
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So Joe, you're saying talk is cheap?

I think I would rather pay an additional fee and have post parades and no idiot babble.
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