Why Do Liberals Vehemently Loathe Trump?

[davew]

Originally Posted by kevb

Because he is a compulsive liar, delusional, pathologically narcissistic, and generally batsh*t crazy.

then do they hate some of their people in Congress?

[Track Collector]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want?

This is a two-way street.

Trump is an outsider, and the "insiders" resent having an outsider come into their club. And far be it for an outsider to be successful, especially if subject success comes at the expense of the desires of the insiders and their donor class. Many in the current political environment are two sides of the same coin.

The deliberations to date would tend to suggest that there is smaller common ground than what we might believe, especially when it comes to the party leadership.

[DSB]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want?

Not all.

Having never Trumpers like McCain - and McConnell - is why he is having a hard time getting anything done.

Let this be a lesson to the people: If you elect those from outside the establishment, they will be rendered powerless by those inside it.

I fear the next step is the attempt to remove a president who was freely elected by the people.

I would hope that such a "bloodless coup" would not be accepted by the people.

If that happens, extreme civil unrest - if not outright civil war - is inevitable.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by DSB

Not all.

Having never Trumpers like McCain - and McConnell - is why he is having a hard time getting anything done.

All those Senators voted for repeal and replace in the past. Perhaps because at the time they knew Obama would veto any such bill anyway?

The point is not that Trump can't get anything done in Congress, it is that he doesn't seem to be trying. I saw no evidence that Trump or the White House made any effort to get that bill passed, either as is or with compromises.

Unlike past presidents like LBJ, Reagan, or Clinton, who really did understand the art of the deal in Washington, Trump appears to have put himself above the legislative process.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Which is the only reason he is in the White House today!

that's possible but I doubt it. The people just had enough of entrenched politicians.

[DSB]

Originally Posted by Clocker

All those Senators voted for repeal and replace in the past. Perhaps because at the time they knew Obama would veto any such bill anyway?

Not perhaps. Precisely. The proof of that is the GOP never had a replacement because they knew they didn't need one. There's more than just a good chance that they delayed it further because they never thought that Trump was going to be elected. SURPRISE!

Originally Posted by Clocker

The point is not that Trump can't get anything done in Congress, it is that he doesn't seem to be trying. I saw no evidence that Trump or the White House made any effort to get that bill passed, either as is or with compromises.

And I see no evidence that he didn't want it to pass. Since we are in the realm of the theoretical, I submit that he may have been swayed by those with genuine concern for a correct solution, ie Rand Paul, Mike Lee, etc. and viewed the bill as a mediocre compromise.

Originally Posted by Clocker

Unlike past presidents like LBJ, Reagan, or Clinton, who really did understand the art of the deal in Washington, Trump appears to have put himself above the legislative process.

LBJ, Reagan, and Clinton were all establishment insiders who enjoyed the support of their parties and whose opposing parties were not bent on the destruction of the Republic. Remember, Trump was elected by the people to curtail what you describe as the "art of the deal in Washington." The legislative process in Washington is one of lobbyists, pork, back room deals and the like. It's not that he doesn't understand that, it's that he doesn't want to participate in that sleazy process.

As a side note, the ruling elite are accomplishing a major goal with their refusal to cooperate with Trump. They are showing any other populists who think they can interfere with "business as usual" in Washington what they will get if elected.

Note to patriots: You have been warned.

[reckless]

[quote=kevb;2208932]Here is the opinion of 50 very qualified individuals
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STATEMENT BY FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIALS
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be
President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he
would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s
national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and
experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the
leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and
belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions,
including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent
judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little
understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex
diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic
values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time,
he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and
friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in
foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating
himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of
contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr.
Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and “knows more
about ISIS than the generals do.”
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a
President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads;
must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must
acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be
disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful
deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with
leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect
and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is
unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not
encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts
impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our
closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous
qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commanderin-
Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the
federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and
international problems. We also know that many have doubts about
Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer
to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are
convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless
President in American history.

Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General
John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser
to the National Security Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The
White House
Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney
General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice
Eliot A. Cohen
Former Counselor of the Department of State
Eric Edelman
Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy; former National Security
Advisor to the Vice President, The White House
Gary Edson
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Richard Falkenrath
Former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, The White House
Peter Feaver
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
Richard Fontaine
Former Associate Director for Near East Affairs, National Security
Council, The White House
Jendayi Frazer
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
African Affairs; former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Aaron Friedberg
Former Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President, The
White House
David Gordon
Former Director of Policy Planning, Department of State
Michael Green
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Asia,
National Security Council, The White House
Brian Gunderson
Former Chief of Staff, Department of State
Paul Haenle
Former Director for China and Taiwan, National Security Council, The
White House
Michael Hayden
Former Director, Central Intelligence Agency; former Director, National
Security Agency
Carla A. Hills
Former U.S. Trade Representative
John Hillen
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs
William Inboden
Former Senior Director for Strategic Planning, National Security
Council, The White House
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Reuben Jeffery III
Former Under Secretary of State for Economic Energy and Agricultural
Affairs; former Special Assistant to the President for International
Economic Affairs, National Security Council, The White House
James Jeffrey
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, The White House
Ted Kassinger
Former Deputy Secretary of Commerce
David Kramer
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and
Labor
James Langdon
Former Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, The
White House
Peter Lichtenbaum
Former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Administration
Mary Beth Long
Former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs
Clay Lowery
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs;
former Director for International Finance, National Security Council,
The White House
Robert McCallum
Former Associate Attorney General; former Ambassador to Australia
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Richard Miles
Former Director for North America, National Security Council, The
White House
Andrew Natsios
Former Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development
John Negroponte
Former Director of National Intelligence; former Deputy Secretary of
State; former Deputy National Security Advisor
Meghan O’Sullivan
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan
Dan Price
Former Deputy National Security Advisor
Tom Ridge
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security, The White House; former Governor of
Pennsylvania
Nicholas Rostow
Former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White
House
Kori Schake
Former Director for Defense Strategy, National Security Council, The
White House
Kristen Silverberg
Former Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations
StatementofFormerNationalSecurityOfficials.docx
Stephen Slick
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Intelligence Programs, National Security Council, The White House
Shirin R. Tahir-Kheli
Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for
Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations, National
Security Council, The White House; former Ambassador and Senior
Advisor for Women’s Empowerment, Department of State
William H. Taft IV
Former Deputy Secretary of Defense; former Ambassador to NATO
Larry D. Thompson
Former Deputy Attorney General
William Tobey
Former Deputy Administrator, National Nuclear Security
Administration, Department of Energy; former Director for Counter-
Proliferation Strategy, National Security Council, The White House
John Veroneau
Former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative
Kenneth Wainstein
Former Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and
Counterterrorism, The White House; former Assistant Attorney General
for National Security, Department of Justice
Matthew Waxman
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense; former Director for
Contingency Planning and International Justice, National Security
Council, The White House

Thank you for posting this, kevb.

You've provided many talking points fodder for all you deranged, ill-informed, Trump haters in politics and on this web site!! They thank you, I am sure.

A bunch of long-term, 'bi-partisan', relatively unknown National Security experts all hate Trump. Wow.

Now, let's call a spade a spade here, OK, kevb?

This country has not won a war since V J Day in August 1945 (V E Day was in May 1945). How many police actions, Vietnams, Iraqs, etc., have we had since the Summer of 45? 'Wars' we all lost!

This country was attacked by Islamic terrorists on 9-11-01. There has now been numerous terror attacks since then, as we all know. Where were these clowns? Then and now. Do most Americans feel safe now?

The US has a wide-open door policy on our southern borders that's resulted in about 15 million illegal aliens living among us, contributing very little to our culture and economy. Where were these clowns all these years?

We now know that North Korea has nuclear capabilities beyond anyone's imagination ready to wreck havoc.... despite years and years of this government saying that North Korea is NOT a real threat at all. Where were these clowns all these years?

Iran is another nuclear threat ... a threat that didn't exist until recently, thanks to Obama and the very same National Security advisors you love so much. Where were these clowns all these years?

Our country has devolved into a shit hole these past 25 years, with most of these National Security Advisors in power at the time. You know this, right?

And you buy into the stupidness of these clowns when they say Trump is unfit for the job.

So we have people who failed this country and its citizens in so many different ways for so many, many years and this post of yours supposed to mean something? And they say Trump wasn't worthy of their vote? And you think this matters? What a joke.

[rastajenk]

One could replace Trump with Obama in every instance in that screed and have a pretty accurate read.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The ability to work with a Congress controlled by his own party to pass major legislation that they all want?

Senator McConnel, welcome to PA

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Senator McConnel, welcome to PA

McConnell does seem to be able to work well with his own party either.

[lamboguy]

the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

What odds that he won finish his term?

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by jms62

What odds that he won finish his term?

Many of us liberal democrats in Massachusetts grew weary of the status quo. It's why we voted Trump. We haven't changed our thinking but many of us realize he's being blocked at every turn.

You might be right about him not finishing his term, I'm staying with my president until the end.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

the smart liberals all know that Trump is and will be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

i have been waiting my whole life for a guy to lead this country and i finally got one.

Trump will be nothing but great when its all said and done, don't get fooled by what you read and watch.

I am with you an this one, what your seeing today is fear. By the time RBG retires you will see desperation unlike anything in the last forty years.

[Tom]

Trump is fixing the border and the economy after the huge mess the last Kenyan Krap Klown left behind.

He is good for America, which the left hates.

That is why they hate him.
He proves that they and all of their stupid ideas area flat out wrong. He proves they are all irrelevant. At best.