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01-19-2018, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Does this mean we need to boycott Trainers/Owners willing to sell their horses to Japan?
Japan, a country in which 90% of thoroughbred horses are slaughtered?
Thankfully, we got horses like Charismatic and War Emblem back in the states before they were slated to be off'ed.
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Are horses sold with the explicit purpose to be butchered? I tend to doubt that.
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01-19-2018, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Are horses sold with the explicit purpose to be butchered? I tend to doubt that.
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They know the end game.
They sold for profit.
Saying anything otherwise is purely naive.
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01-19-2018, 06:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Does this mean we need to boycott Trainers/Owners willing to sell their horses to Japan?
Japan, a country in which 90% of thoroughbred horses are slaughtered?
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I've got no problem with that. Or shaming them mercilessly on social media, for that matter, not that they'd care once the check cleared. I'll bet for every Sunday Silence there are fifty Ferdinands. Lani didn't hit the board in 2017. I would be utterly unsurprised if he met the same fate.
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01-19-2018, 08:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
They know the end game.
They sold for profit.
Saying anything otherwise is purely naive.
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This isn't Japan. Right now people are trying to save horses, so playing "whataboutism" with the issue is pretty low.
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01-19-2018, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by castaway01
This isn't Japan. Right now people are trying to save horses, so playing "whataboutism" with the issue is pretty low.
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Thanks for the "Whataboutism" Democrat cry.
Sorry that you don't know about how the real world industry works.
Horses get slaughtered every single day. On multiple continents.
Fantastic that we make a stand upon a small industry race track with trainers and owners and jockeys trying to scratch out a living while dismissing what should be the greater cause.
I find it absolutely disgusting to be honest.
Large tracks don't have to worry as they depend upon their herd to be culled and shipped to lesser tracks, and the worst eventually will get slaughtered. No blood on their hands, right?
Why mess with the drug dealer when you really want the Kingpin?
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01-19-2018, 09:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
They know the end game.
They sold for profit.
Saying anything otherwise is purely naive.
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Horses like War Emblem were sent to breed as I'm sure you know, come on. Comparing the two things is ridiculous.
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01-19-2018, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Thanks for the "Whataboutism" Democrat cry.
Sorry that you don't know about how the real world industry works.
Horses get slaughtered every single day. On multiple continents.
Fantastic that we make a stand upon a small industry race track with trainers and owners and jockeys trying to scratch out a living while dismissing what should be the greater cause.
I find it absolutely disgusting to be honest.
Large tracks don't have to worry as they depend upon their herd to be culled and shipped to lesser tracks, and the worst eventually will get slaughtered. No blood on their hands, right?
Why mess with the drug dealer when you really want the Kingpin?
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It is an industry problem, not a Delta Downs problem, I agree with that.
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01-19-2018, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
It is an industry problem, not a Delta Downs problem, I agree with that.
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Thank you. I just want people to realize that.
None of us want to have happen what is happening in the Thoroughbred racing industry.
Maybe this a big red flashing light to make a change very well worth a change.
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01-20-2018, 01:40 AM
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I talked to Dina alittle. She said she couldn’t release any names at the moment, but in about 2 weeks for whatever reason she will list multiple names of horses/people involved. She’s got something cooking, so let’s hope for the best for her. She said she would stay in touch.
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01-20-2018, 10:36 AM
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What is happening now is that the trainers/owners that want to get rid of a horse are selling them to an independent 3rd party that is not involved in racing. This third party tells tells the owner/trainer that he is going to make the horse into a jumper, pleasure horse, whatever and then that 3rd party takes it directly to the killer. If one of these horses is found at the killer and it is traced back to the owner, the owner produces the bill of sale where he sold the horse to the 3rd party. Since the previous owner can't control what
happens after the horse is sold it relieves him of any penalties imposed by racing. A lot of times these horses change hands two or three times between the racetrack and the killer. This is a hard problem to fix without a nationwide ban on horse slaughter.
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01-20-2018, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Are horses sold with the explicit purpose to be butchered? I tend to doubt that.
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At the livestock auctions around here, there are buyers that are known "killer buyers". Horses that they buy are going directly to slaughter.
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01-20-2018, 11:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by green80
At the livestock auctions around here, there are buyers that are known "killer buyers". Horses that they buy are going directly to slaughter.
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I meant the horses sold to Japan. I know what is happening at Delta (and other lower level tracks).
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01-20-2018, 12:04 PM
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Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Thanks for the "Whataboutism" Democrat cry.
Sorry that you don't know about how the real world industry works.
Horses get slaughtered every single day. On multiple continents.
Fantastic that we make a stand upon a small industry race track with trainers and owners and jockeys trying to scratch out a living while dismissing what should be the greater cause.
I find it absolutely disgusting to be honest.
Large tracks don't have to worry as they depend upon their herd to be culled and shipped to lesser tracks, and the worst eventually will get slaughtered. No blood on their hands, right?
Why mess with the drug dealer when you really want the Kingpin?
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Every track we race at has a horse retirement fee taken out of the purse. I cannot tell you if this will save "x" amount of horses or not but that alone means someone is now listening and helping to save these beautiful creatures...on the other hand I do receive calls every once in a while to donate money for a horse we previously owned who was penciled in to go to slaughter and the donation would save the horse. Some of these calls are scams and others are the real thing. Hopefully more owners do the right thing and retire the horse(s) to a good home.
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01-28-2018, 09:58 AM
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01-28-2018, 12:03 PM
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