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elysiantraveller · 02-03-2018, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcar

Who should go about their business doing what? You mean Mueller should continue to investigate Trump until the cows drop dead trying to get home? And Trump should be investigated for what crime, specifically? (You do know that special counsels, by law, are supposed be very restricted into what they are investigating?) So, what should Trump be investigated for: Colluding with the Russians? If after all this time, they haven't come up with anything on Trump, you expect they will by what the end of the year? The end of 2019? During the 2020 elections? And what if Trump gets reelected? Keep letting the do its business, right? Maybe you can buy Mueller a few litter boxes for the next few years, along with replacement kitty litter, so that he can feel comfortable doing his business.

Your argument is essentially when is enough, enough?

I don't know what the investigation has or is working on but it's hardly dragged out that long. Timeline wise it's not far off of Watergate and it's scope is much wider as it's international.

I would even suspect it's starting to come to a conclusion hence the enhanced attempts at this point to discredit and undermine it.

Like I said before if there isn't any wrong doing why the massive push to undermine it and attack those involved? I don't feel the memo really said much or proved anything except the narrative it was meant to bolster.

Carter Page has been subject to FISA in the past.

Christopher Steele has been a valued intelligence asset in the past.

Papadapolous is an idiot who implicated himself in talks with the Australian government.

The investigation has already brought several criminal charges... success? Or I'll phrase it this way, if this investigation wraps up in the next couple of months and nothing is brought against the administration but a bunch of shady people like Manafort, Pap, and Flynn are brought down that's good right?

woodtoo · 02-03-2018, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Your argument is essentially when is enough, enough?

The investigation has already brought several criminal charges... success? Or I'll phrase it this way, if this investigation wraps up in the next couple of months and nothing is brought against the administration but a bunch of shady people like Manafort, Pap, and Flynn are brought down that's good right?

Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.

Big Russ · 02-03-2018, 08:43 AM

chadk66 · 02-03-2018, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo

Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.

aside from Manafort there will be nothing from the Mueller probe. Mueller is probably packing his office shit up right now. His investigation is meaningless at this point. And the Manafort charge could possibly get tossed to the side just for gravy.
This is the most disgusting this country has ever seen involving government/FBI. There will be many fired over this.

Fager Fan · 02-03-2018, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/958911621539225601

Who the hell is Caroline O. and why do you think any of us care what she thinks?

Is it impossible for you to form your own thoughts that you have to continuously steal other people's?

boxcar · 02-03-2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Like I said before if there isn't any wrong doing why the massive push to undermine it and attack those involved? I don't feel the memo really said much or proved anything except the narrative it was meant to bolster.

Ooh...that's a tough question, but I'll give it a shot. Because there was a lot of wrong-doing by "those involved" in investigating Trump? That all the charges against Trump were fabricated out of whole cloth (good pun intended) and were politically motivated for the sole purpose of unseating Trump from the presidency? Because a Trump victory in 2016 just wasn't in the dimwits' game plan?

When there's a crime being investigated, all cops look for motive and opportunity. And God only knows, with this cast of characters involved in this investigation, Trump had more than his fair share of animus-filled enemies -- starting with the Obama Administration, the Hillary Campaign, and a host of individual players, such as Steele, Page, Carter, Strozk, Comey, Mueller, etc., etc. And of course there was ample opportunity for the Obama Admin. and the Hillary Campaign to use the DOJ and FBI as their willing pawns in their ongoing attempts to overturn the results of the 2016 election.

elysiantraveller · 02-03-2018, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo

Manafort was under FISA for years and could have been charged at anytime, a special prosecuter was never NEEDED. Old crime. His FISA was used to spy on innocent Americans.

Pap is a stooge a nobody.

Flynn was a process crime that in all likely hood will be tossed.

So to answer your question, a big waste of time, money and effort.

Sad you can't see beyond your own nose, calling Gen. Flynn a shady person tells us all we need to know about you.

The special prosecutor was set up after Comey was fired. Trump is responsible for that.

elysiantraveller · 02-03-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcar

Ooh...that's a tough question, but I'll give it a shot. Because there was a lot of wrong-doing by "those involved" in investigating Trump? That all the charges against Trump were fabricated out of whole cloth (good pun intended) and were politically motivated for the sole purpose of unseating Trump from the presidency? Because a Trump victory in 2016 just wasn't in the dimwits' game plan?

There are no charges against Trump at this point so what does it matter?

You aren't answering you're dodging.

Quite frankly, if he personally had no involvement, and I'm inclined to believe that, why the hell is everyone so bent out of shape...?

Instead of just letting it continue you all claim "witch hunt! witch hunt!" when even if that was the case it has resulted in arrests and charges even the most ardent Trump supporter doesn't deny are legitimate.

elysiantraveller · 02-03-2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chadk66

supposedly this memo is only about 10% of what is going to eventually be shown to the american people. The question now is whether or not the FISA judge comes after those in the FBI that committed fraud in obtaining the warrants on at least three occasions. I will go out on a limb and say they will seek to prosecute these individuals to regain trust in the FISA system. And honestly it's the right thing to do. Another big question is how many will be sent packing at the FBI by monday. I'm guessing at least three will be gone. Rosenstein will probably be gone also. But that may be a couple weeks. How soon the case gets reopened on Hillary will also be very interesting. And I will be totally amazed if that doesn't happen. For all intents and purposes Mueller is done. Just a matter of getting his office cleared out. Boy the next couple months are going to be totally awesome. The Swamp is being drained at a very rapid pace now folks. What's rather amazing is that Trump knew how deep the swamp was.

So if we only know 10%. A select 10% mind you. The other 90% couldn't possibly be anything else but more "fraud?"

By your own admission this whole attempt to delegitimize the investigation is based on 10% knowledge huh?

woodtoo · 02-03-2018, 10:05 AM

Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr (FBI) in Sept.2016 " he was desperate Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being President"

This was recorded in official FBI files- but not reflected in any FISA applications.

He's a limey and supposedly wrote the dossier....I think Nellie Ohr who worked for Fusion actually wrote most of the dossier.

elysiantraveller · 02-03-2018, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by woodtoo

Steele admitted to Bruce Ohr (FBI) in Sept.2016 " he was desperate Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being President"

This was recorded in official FBI files- but not reflected in any FISA applications.

He's a limey and supposedly wrote the dossier....I think Nellie Ohr who worked for Fusion actually wrote most of the dossier.

I get all of that but he turned his information over to the FBI for that exact reason. Both can be true and one can beget the other. He had intel on the Trump campaign which is why he contacted the FBI to begin with and ALSO why he didn't want to see him elected.

Its certainly a plausible explanation... at least as plausible as some vast left-wing conspiracy.

But honestly it doesn't matter the Papadopolous conversation is what originally triggered FBI interest. The Nunes Memo even admits this.

woodtoo · 02-03-2018, 10:19 AM

Problem is Steele had no intel, it was a farse, made up shit.

woodtoo · 02-03-2018, 10:26 AM

Robert Mueller was FBI director when he signed the original FISA on Carter Page in 2013, he should resign because of this conflict. He is in this as deep as anyone.

With Carter Page's help the FBI brought down a Russian spy ring, he should be receiving a medal.

woodtoo · 02-03-2018, 10:41 AM

Latest POTUS tweet:
this memo totally vindicates "Trump" in probe. But the Russian witch hunt goes on and on. There was no Collusion there was no Obstrution
( the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!

POTUS has one request to FBI, MAGA or resign. IMO.

davew · 02-03-2018, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Who the hell is Caroline O. and why do you think any of us care what she thinks?

Is it impossible for you to form your own thoughts that you have to continuously steal other people's?

FanDan acts like a Russian bot, accuracy is not as important as volume