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10-26-2011, 03:16 PM
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He rambles on and on way too much, with a flatulent sense of self-importance. But that's just my take on his studio presence; not saying you're wrong.
But then a lot of the ESPNers are wearing on me more than usual. If Chris Berman ever completes a sentence it will be his first time this century. TJ gets on riffs that end up at a place not on the radar when the riff begins. I give some allowances 'cause it has to be hard to come up with fresh angles when everything has been dissected ad nauseum throughout the week on all the various NFL shows, but still....I'm getting old and cranky, I guess. The current crop fails to impress.  |
You are not getting old and cranky...they just have nothing else to talk about.
The daytime ESPN lineup is just ESPN Radio in the sense that it's nothing but talk shows/opinions:
Numbers Never Lie
Dan LeBatard is just friggin weird
Jim Rome
Around The Horn
PTI
SportsNation
Nothing but roundtable discussion type shows...BLAHHHHHH!
Hmmmm...what sport is run everyday in the middle of the day that ESPN could cover...? Anyone?
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10-26-2011, 03:34 PM
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He rambles on and on way too much, with a flatulent sense of self-importance. But that's just my take on his studio presence; not saying you're wrong.
But then a lot of the ESPNers are wearing on me more than usual. If Chris Berman ever completes a sentence it will be his first time this century. TJ gets on riffs that end up at a place not on the radar when the riff begins. I give some allowances 'cause it has to be hard to come up with fresh angles when everything has been dissected ad nauseum throughout the week on all the various NFL shows, but still....I'm getting old and cranky, I guess. The current crop fails to impress. |
I prefer the NFL Network over ESPN. Steve Young may be articulate, but the ONLY thing he talks about is QB play. Reminds me of OJ Simpson, when he was in the booth. He loved to talk about running backs but nothing else. Dilfer can sometimes do that, although not nearly to the extent of Young. Keyshawn is also guilty of talking only about receivers.
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10-26-2011, 03:42 PM
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heartbreak city??
STEELERS, RAVENS, JETS, EAGLES (GIANTS ARE IN THIS GROUP= NOT SURE THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THESE OTHER 4)
these 4 teams are playoff quality but a cloud looms over their playoff horizon...
Without an elite passing QB they really have their work cut out for them...
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it sure has...
the STEELERS had a team last year that would have rumbled their way to the Lombardi trophy the way some of the last DEFENSIVE champions like the RAVENS did, but the game has evolved so much that the Packers were a mismatch.
This year the RAVENS are very strong. Flacco has actually matured, but he isn't getting to take advantage of the same rules that the elite QBS get to play by. - the playcalling doesn't give him that same kind of wide open freedom
- the playcalling is such that the RAVENS pass "off of" an "established" running game.
I'm not necessarily blaming the coaches here with 1. They know what Flacco is capable of. HOWEVER the league is at such a point where a smart verteran like FLACCO is capable of ATTEMPTING of "SHOWING" certain routes that he has no intention of forcing in (unless there is a hail mary comeback situation). Meaning - Some blame goes to the coaches - for not Opening up the playbook - call some plays that beat the DB even if FLACCO knows he is going to over-throw it! Yes that costs 1 down, but it is an INVESTMENT... EVEN BETTER - incorporate the BACK-SHOULDER throw a little more... this is a play where the ball is underthrown intentionally... The QB need not have a strong arm - simply poise it can put the DB on the defensive because he can't see the ball - theres a reason college QBs who aren't elite throwers use this so much (see Denard Robinson M). Just 2 examples, but the playbook must be opened up - not necessarily taking any more risks than they already take, but taking full advantage of Flacco's poise and you start to cause the defense to cover more spots, and for Flacco and the offensive coordinators to "test" the perimeter of the rivals air defense. 
2- when guys like Ray Rice and co can't avg 3.5 yards per carry (team managed a paltry 2.8ypc vs Jags) it doesn't take a Wednesday morning QB to realize that the run ain't "setting up" a dam thing!
B-more has never run the ball so poorly... NVM FLACCO for a minute!!!
RAVENS CARRIED 12! TIMES FOR 34YARDS!!!  (compare 2 JAGS 42 car 132yds)
This wasn't some BLOWOUT EITHER WAS ONLY 6-0 HALF ,A 9-0 TO START 4TH QUARTER...
i didn't watch the game so there may well have been some unusual reason but on paper, the playcalling looks at least as bad as the QB play...
Flacco can't take full advantage of all the breaks the eltit/QBs get (it's like a horse that carries 15 more pounds every race - while the BEST RATED HORSES get the weight break!!)
Flacco is actually improved , and his poise is decent. When his confidence gets up, he puts some touch on tha ball
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10-26-2011, 04:38 PM
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heartbreak city??
STEELERS, RAVENS, JETS, EAGLES (GIANTS ARE IN THIS GROUP= NOT SURE THEY ARE AS GOOD AS THESE OTHER 4)
these 4 teams are playoff quality but a cloud looms over their playoff horizon...
Without an elite passing QB they really have their work cut out for them...
it sure has...
the STEELERS had a team last year that would have rumbled their way to the Lombardi trophy the way some of the last DEFENSIVE champions like the RAVENS did, but the game has evolved so much that the Packers were a mismatch.
This year the RAVENS are very strong. Flacco has actually matured, but he isn't getting to take advantage of the same rules that the elite QBS get to play by. - the playcalling doesn't give him that same kind of wide open freedom
- the playcalling is such that the RAVENS pass "off of" an "established" running game.
I'm not necessarily blaming the coaches here with 1. They know what Flacco is capable of. HOWEVER the league is at such a point where a smart verteran like FLACCO is capable of ATTEMPTING of "SHOWING" certain routes that he has no intention of forcing in (unless there is a hail mary comeback situation). Meaning - Some blame goes to the coaches - for not Opening up the playbook - call some plays that beat the DB even if FLACCO knows he is going to over-throw it! Yes that costs 1 down, but it is an INVESTMENT... EVEN BETTER - incorporate the BACK-SHOULDER throw a little more... this is a play where the ball is underthrown intentionally... The QB need not have a strong arm - simply poise it can put the DB on the defensive because he can't see the ball - theres a reason college QBs who aren't elite throwers use this so much (see Denard Robinson M). Just 2 examples, but the playbook must be opened up - not necessarily taking any more risks than they already take, but taking full advantage of Flacco's poise and you start to cause the defense to cover more spots, and for Flacco and the offensive coordinators to "test" the perimeter of the rivals air defense.
2- when guys like Ray Rice and co can't avg 3.5 yards per carry (team managed a paltry 2.8ypc vs Jags) it doesn't take a Wednesday morning QB to realize that the run ain't "setting up" a dam thing!
B-more has never run the ball so poorly... NVM FLACCO for a minute!!!
RAVENS CARRIED 12! TIMES FOR 34YARDS!!! (compare 2 JAGS 42 car 132yds)
This wasn't some BLOWOUT EITHER WAS ONLY 6-0 HALF ,A 9-0 TO START 4TH QUARTER...
i didn't watch the game so there may well have been some unusual reason but on paper, the playcalling looks at least as bad as the QB play...
Flacco can't take full advantage of all the breaks the eltit/QBs get (it's like a horse that carries 15 more pounds every race - while the BEST RATED HORSES get the weight break!!)
Flacco is actually improved , and his poise is decent. When his confidence gets up, he puts some touch on tha ball |
The QB is the LAST thing the Steelers need to worry about. They have problems on their offensive line and their defense is aging. Lots of talent on their D, but it is getting up in age.
Passing always matters more in October than in January. Teams like Baltimore, the Jets and Steelers will all be formidable come playoff time. Not sure on the Eagles. They can't stop the run which is a real problem come playoff time. Also can't turn the ball over as much as they have.
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10-26-2011, 09:46 PM
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The QB is the LAST thing the Steelers need to worry about. They have problems on their offensive line and their defense is aging. Lots of talent on their D, but it is getting up in age.
Passing always matters more in October than in January. Teams like Baltimore, the Jets and Steelers will all be formidable come playoff time. Not sure on the Eagles. They can't stop the run which is a real problem come playoff time. Also can't turn the ball over as much as they have.
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we'll just have to see how it plays out.
I can tell you that MY team is the Steelers.
After Pittsburgh I love the coaching for New England, and appreciate the near perfection of the Pack, but my 2nd team(i know we all live and die with OUR team, but DISTANT 2ND) may be the Eagles. I've been an eagles 2nd=fan for years since they had Dawkins and Trottier and getting the Eagles games televised before I got cable...
The way I see it right now, The teams with Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and maybe one or two others(maybe just those 3) have a big advantage. Just the rules of the league...
Nothing more that I would love than to see SMASH MOUTH football turn the tide... Jets, Ravens, Steelers... D-line vs O-line running game vs linebackers... ball control...field position...
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10-30-2011, 02:06 PM
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Watching the Flacco debacle again.
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10-30-2011, 07:27 PM
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Watching the Flacco debacle again.
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Did you stick it out?
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10-30-2011, 07:56 PM
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Did you stick it out?
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Watched Ray Rice and the comeback,and the reason they were down is because flacco is awful.
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10-31-2011, 01:51 PM
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Watched Ray Rice and the comeback,and the reason they were down is because flacco is awful.
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No he is not. The O line was awful in the 1st half. In the 2nd half, he had time to throw and looked pretty damn good.
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10-31-2011, 01:59 PM
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No he is not. The O line was awful in the 1st half. In the 2nd half, he had time to throw and looked pretty damn good.
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Is it because the Ravens went into a spread offense?He has accuracy issues,he has trouble reading defenses,thats the scouting report.Hes ok,the big question is can you win a super bowl with Flacco,imo no,but will see come sunday night against Steelers.The Steelers arent the Cards.
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10-31-2011, 04:47 PM
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My fantasy team has both Flacco and Kolb. BOTH of them are absolute crap. How did Arizona ever think Kolb was a worthy acquisition? He had a couple of 300 yard games w/Philly in losing efforts against soft prevent defenses. Big deal. He's stealing money from Arizona right now.
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10-31-2011, 05:03 PM
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It's not Flacco who sucks...with the exception of the Packers i think every team in the league sucks!
Seriously, after watching what the Saints did and seeing some very good teams look like total crap in the last few weeks, it's the only conclusion i can draw.
Every team seems to lay an egg every few weeks and get taken to the woodshed...heck, if my Steelers were really that good they woulda blown the Pats out yesterday but the refs blew a call that took valuable time off the clock, or the Pats may have pulled it out...who knows.
To put it shortly...i am underwhelmed.
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11-07-2011, 06:24 AM
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Flacco got to give him credit for the 92 yard drive,buts lets not forget his fumble put them in the situtation.Still you aint winning a super bowl with Flacco.
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11-07-2011, 08:31 AM
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Flacco got to give him credit for the 92 yard drive,buts lets not forget his fumble put them in the situtation.Still you aint winning a super bowl with Flacco.
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If Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler (to name a few) can win a Super Bowl, Flacco can.
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11-07-2011, 02:36 PM
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If Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler (to name a few) can win a Super Bowl, Flacco can.
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While the Ravens defense is solid, its nowhere near as tough as that Raven defense that Dilfer played with.
Maybe the drive will be a confidence builder for him. Thought he looked real good as a rookie but his development has stalled.
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