ARROGATE, BC impact on racing! Zero

[linrom1]

I collect racing memorabilia, and I can see that there is absolutely no public interest in Arrogate nor BC 2016.

This confirms my opinion that this was one of the worst BC ever and I am getting convinced that the sport would be better of with popular FALL stake programs in the East instead.

BC is actually killing horse racing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Who woke you up?

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by linrom1

I collect racing memorabilia, and I can see that there is absolutely no public interest in Arrogate nor BC 2016.

This confirms my opinion that this was one of the worst BC ever and I am getting convinced that the sport would be better of with popular FALL stake programs in the East instead.

BC is actually killing horse racing.

You're sounding like a 14yo girl Chromie who is upset her horsie got beat. It's ridiculous. Try appreciating good performances by both instead.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Who woke you up?

Rip Van Winkle.

[Robert Fischer]

I've had some non-racing fans comment to me on how impressive the BC Classic was.


Chrome or AP or Arrogate will not make a dent in public interest.

Only a media broadcast effort will do that. Horse racing simply does not carry the product association power that other revenue-vehicles currently being broadcast do.

It can still be much improved from the status quo with an intelligent effort. For the right price, Kim Kardashian can purchase a slot in the Pegasus race for Arrogate, for example.



/not really directed at sourpuss

[Big Peps]

I spent the weekend in Atlanta with some old college buddies, surrounded by avid sports fans and gamblers, college football, NFL, baseball and not one even mentioned the Breeder's Cup. Not one and my buddies know I am a big fan and own a few. Nobody for the most part really cares about racing other than 3 races a year. It's a cult following that is all.

Breeder's Cup does not show up on people's radar. It should come as no surprise to anyone here. Doesn't mean it was a bad Breeder's Cup it actually was great, doesn't change the standing of horse racing in the US

[ronsmac]

Originally Posted by linrom1

I collect racing memorabilia, and I can see that there is absolutely no public interest in Arrogate nor BC 2016.

This confirms my opinion that this was one of the worst BC ever and I am getting convinced that the sport would be better of with popular FALL stake programs in the East instead.

BC is actually killing horse racing.

I lost money and this will still go down as one of my favorite Breeders Cups ever. You're trying to bring back 1978. Those days are gone forever

[ultracapper]

The American public loves definitive champions. In 10 years, the college football national championship playoff will do the same thing to the Sugar Bowl that the BC did to the JCGC. The Sugar Bowl champion won't mean anything to anybody but the insiders and the hardcore fans. The problem with the BC is it doesn't even decide a champion like the playoff does.

[Rex Phinney]

The sport as a whole has issues of getting people interested outside of Derby Day.

Those of you that think Breeders Cup is the problem are off base. Try going and asking any casual fan who won last years Travers, or JCGC. Go into a local bar on Derby Day and ask someone who won the Santa Anita or Florida Derby.

I frequent Las Vegas on Travers weekend, in 2015 we had to plead with a bar tender to even put the race on (think about that for a minute), in 2016 the same bar wouldn't even put in the effort to see what channel the race was on. This is of all places Las Vegas.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

The sport as a whole has issues of getting people interested outside of Derby Day.

Those of you that think Breeders Cup is the problem are off base. Try going and asking any casual fan who won last years Travers, or JCGC. Go into a local bar on Derby Day and ask someone who won the Santa Anita or Florida Derby.

I frequent Las Vegas on Travers weekend, in 2015 we had to plead with a bar tender to even put the race on (think about that for a minute), in 2016 the same bar wouldn't even put in the effort to see what channel the race was on. This is of all places Las Vegas.

You should have told him that Arrogate was going to run better than American Pharoah!

[classhandicapper]

I think there will be some interest in a rematch if it's promoted well, but I don't think there will be much interest in Arrogate alone for awhile. He's too new to the scene, wasn't a Triple Crown competitor etc... It takes awhile for the general public to warm up to horse unless there's a compelling story and he's been on TV a lot.

[Fred Mertz]

Originally Posted by linrom1

I collect racing memorabilia, and I can see that there is absolutely no public interest in Arrogate nor BC 2016.

You should hold onto your Arrogate memorabilia.

I bought a signed military print I liked many years ago for $95. Some experts/critics and generals pooh poohed the artwork, therefore not that many were sold.

Last I checked, because of limited sales, it was worth about $5,800.00.

[Delta Cone]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

I frequent Las Vegas on Travers weekend, in 2015 we had to plead with a bar tender to even put the race on (think about that for a minute), in 2016 the same bar wouldn't even put in the effort to see what channel the race was on. This is of all places Las Vegas.

I was in Vegas last week. On Thursday I had to ask the manager at Planet Hollywood sports book to put Churchill Downs on the TV...the large TVs on the front wall of the book were 100% tuned in to Sportscenter reruns from the night before while a couple of smaller TVs on the side had some racing on.

We quickly got the feeling that horseplayers weren't welcome. Immediately went to the Mirage and the scene there was much better. I actually felt like they cared about racing.

On Saturday, the Hard Rock had Santa Anita on a side TV, but they had the same screen real estate for SA that they did for Finger Lakes. The large main screen didn't show one race all day until the Classic.

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by Big Peps

I spent the weekend in Atlanta with some old college buddies, surrounded by avid sports fans and gamblers, college football, NFL, baseball and not one even mentioned the Breeder's Cup. Not one and my buddies know I am a big fan and own a few. Nobody for the most part really cares about racing other than 3 races a year. It's a cult following that is all.

Breeder's Cup does not show up on people's radar. It should come as no surprise to anyone here. Doesn't mean it was a bad Breeder's Cup it actually was great, doesn't change the standing of horse racing in the US

'Racing' makes it hard to place bets. You have to sign up w adw and give name and ss number and a few other tidbits as well as fund the account, you can't walk into 7-11 and bet the horses, if you don't want the adw route you have to drive to a location to wager, prob not always free parking and admission like 7/11 or Vegas casinos.

Horses, jocks and trainers are not mainstream media celebs like nba stars might be, nobody other than 'racing fans' have heard of anyone or any horse so that's a problem too.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by EasyGoer89

'Racing' makes it hard to place bets. You have to sign up w adw and give name and ss number and a few other tidbits as well as fund the account, you can't walk into 7-11 and bet the horses, if you don't want the adw route you have to drive to a location to wager, prob not always free parking and admission like 7/11 or Vegas casinos.

I had this argument with online poker players pre-2011 who were ticked off that the federal government might come in (as they eventually did) and shut down the unlicensed sites. There's never going to be a form of legal online traditional gambling (i.e., I realize that the stock market is gambling too, but it isn't thought of that way) that doesn't require identificatory safeguards against underage play and tax evasion.

That's just a reality. Honestly, by historical standards, we have a far MORE opportunities to bet on horses than we did in the past. But it's never going to be as quite as easy as you might like.