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05-11-2017, 08:51 PM
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My point had nothing to do with Always Dreaming. I never compared him to Pharoah. I don't even like always dreaming and will try to beat him again. I was saying that the triple crown should be reserved for all time greats, and it's just my opinion he wasn't. He was a great horse. Just not an all timer. Crop was bad, and beating tale of verve, losing to keen ice, and winning a breeders cup that had no runners doesn't constitute all time greatness to me. Always dreaming never entered the equation. I stated a horse like arrogate breaking 150 year old track records and trouncing older great horses is worthy of triple crown greatness. And right back at ya 🤘
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05-11-2017, 11:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julz
My point had nothing to do with Always Dreaming. I never compared him to Pharoah. I don't even like always dreaming and will try to beat him again. I was saying that the triple crown should be reserved for all time greats, and it's just my opinion he wasn't. He was a great horse. Just not an all timer. Crop was bad, and beating tale of verve, losing to keen ice, and winning a breeders cup that had no runners doesn't constitute all time greatness to me. Always dreaming never entered the equation. I stated a horse like arrogate breaking 150 year old track records and trouncing older great horses is worthy of triple crown greatness. And right back at ya 🤘
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I agree with your comments....I thought his ky derby was his best race but his classic win might have been the weakest classic field of all time. I wish Liam's Map had taken him on
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05-11-2017, 11:24 PM
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As far as making the statement in May that this is a weak crop of 3 year olds is asinine. It's like assessing an NFL team a draft grade the day after the draft. How can you give a grade before you let the season pan out and see who actually got the best players?
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05-12-2017, 07:05 AM
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American Pharoah unfortunately had no say in who he raced, the fact that he raced a sub par crop in the Classic is maybe why he ran out of the screen on them and won by like 10 lengths or so with ease. None the less running the 8th fastest Classic ever (faster than arrogate, albeit close) and keep in mind the 8th fastest Belmont ever! 2nd fastest among Triple Crown winners.
Besides do you really think California Chhjrome would of beaten Pharoah in the classic? I love Chrome and can tell you not the slightest chance in hell.
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05-12-2017, 03:06 PM
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Interesting tidbit: Bob Baffert was on XBTV and he said he's been in all the post positions for the Derby and the 14 is the worst post to be in.
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05-14-2017, 02:12 PM
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certainly dont look like he has the energy he did before the derby
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05-14-2017, 03:19 PM
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PUP, very interesting!!
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05-14-2017, 04:07 PM
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Whats he supposed to say?
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05-14-2017, 08:26 PM
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You are kidding right?
They let that horse lift his head and he will explode. If anything that gallop shows just how much horse is still there.
He's still very much in Beast Mode.
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05-14-2017, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by depalma113
You are kidding right?
They let that horse lift his head and he will explode. If anything that gallop shows just how much horse is still there.
He's still very much in Beast Mode.
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Hope your right, im gonna unload on him with a large WIN bet regardless.
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05-14-2017, 09:38 PM
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Mamma Kimbo
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really
at 4-5 why bother
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05-14-2017, 10:22 PM
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Maybe use the WIN bet as a saver, and have something more creative like Always Dreaming over a longshot.
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05-14-2017, 10:34 PM
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Looks a little odd to me. I don't know if it is the reins, but his head down like that doesn't seem like a good thing. Also, from a horse body language blog: "However, if his head goes down and stays down, with his eyes open staring wide, his mouth closed tight, and his ears stiff, the horse is sullen and pouty and has most likely been pushed too hard."
Last edited by señorclipclop; 05-14-2017 at 10:35 PM.
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05-15-2017, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by señorclipclop
Looks a little odd to me. I don't know if it is the reins, but his head down like that doesn't seem like a good thing. Also, from a horse body language blog: "However, if his head goes down and stays down, with his eyes open staring wide, his mouth closed tight, and his ears stiff, the horse is sullen and pouty and has most likely been pushed too hard."
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Talk about taking something completely out of context.
Are you betting real money based on quotes you get about a horse standing in a pen versus a horse working in draw reins?
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05-15-2017, 10:27 AM
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Energy level up today. Exactly what I wanted to see. There is no way Classic Empire turns the tables on him. I just don't see it. He beat CE by a wiiiiiiiiiide margin.
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