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Old 08-04-2022, 04:27 PM   #31
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I guess I'm imagining these whales as more quant-geek...Ingenious and above board. For what it's worth, I consider rebate negotiation above board.
The computer teams are ruining the game.
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Old 08-04-2022, 09:22 PM   #33
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Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.

Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
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More like ruined.
Yep…….and it didn’t take long
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Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.

Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
Well said.
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West Coast paddock observations a little more "ballsy"

https://twitter.com/TVG/status/15564...zPF4ddheREZulQ
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Andie is one of the best out there, so glad TVG brought her out to Del Mar.
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Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.

Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
I am in a contest where we select before Race 1. Today, in Race 2 at Saratoga, #1 Critical Threat had a full goggle over his left eye. Had I known of that odd equipment before I made my selection, I would have not had that horse as my primary selection. From the commentators, I learned that the horse was recovering from an eye infection apparently caused by kickback. The horse ran third.

Physicality includes many factors and does matter.
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I haven’t been around horses closely enough to understand nuanced physicality but I appreciate the insights of those who have and do.

One specific scenario where I put a lot of weight on what a horse looks like is lightly raced maiden claimers on the turf. We get a lot of those races in Tampa and with their often vague or nebulous turf pedigree, horses with turfy physical attributes can win despite looking hopeless on paper.
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I haven’t been around horses closely enough to understand nuanced physicality but I appreciate the insights of those who have and do.

One specific scenario where I put a lot of weight on what a horse looks like is lightly raced maiden claimers on the turf. We get a lot of those races in Tampa and with their often vague or nebulous turf pedigree, horses with turfy physical attributes can win despite looking hopeless on paper.
Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
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Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
Tall, with disproportionally long legs.
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Gabby Gaudet #1, and Maggie Wolfendale #2 as far as paddock preview they are without a doubt, THE BEST.



Best at breaking a race down: Blanket finish... Vic Stauffer, Andy Serling, Simon Bray, Mark Patterson, Matt Carothers.
That's elite company. Thank you, sir.
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Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
Large hooves.
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Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.

Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
A cut just slightly healed? In the paddock and permitted to race? I am surprised. Very. Owner-trainer Rodney Moyers got banned from racing for a similar instance involving a likewise partially- healed wound not much bigger than the one you describe.
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