Shancelot

[RunForTheRoses]

Originally Posted by Suff

Maybe,? probably , or not likely that any PA members recall my Gulfstream posts Re: Jorge Navaro? I made a few and if you recall one, you'll get why this hat photo that I replied with is business funny.

He seemed to get it because he hit me back.


https://twitter.com/MichaeleDudley/s...96690039304192

Have to admit Navarro has class when it comes to baseball.

-Adios Amigo!

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by TonyK@HSH

In Pa the testing is random. Commission and vets just show up at barn to take samples of specific horses. I'm not sure if this has extended to training centers yet.

Every day this guy gets fatter and fatter I don’t know what he does but whatever it is the horses seem to react in a big way maybe one day he will write a book on how he single handily changed the course of racing legally!

[pandy]

Originally Posted by drfager

Here’s the rub with both Servis and Navarro. They know that their horses will test negative post race because they are being treated with fast clearing (48 hr) PEDs. Can you say Nitrotain? Since there is no random out of competition testing done in the US, you can train your horse on a powerful anabolic steroid like Nitrotain, stop on Tuesday and race with impunity on Saturday. This allows you to turn an ordinary 3yo maiden claimer into a multiple G1 winner or a good 3 yo sprinter into Dr. Fager!

I would think that Navarro is under the microscope and gets tested more than others. But, I don't know for sure. Are you guessing about the steroids?

[bob60566]

So what is the reason that major tracks in the US do not enforce random out of competition testing. Maybe they do not have the most up to date equipment yet to perform all the new tests. ?

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by pandy

Are you guessing about the steroids?

Steroids help improve a horse's appetite and put on some extra muscle (probably obvious). They don't improve a horse's performance by 15+ Beyer points, as often achieved by super trainers.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by bob60566

So what is the reason that major tracks in the US do not enforce random out of competition testing. Maybe they do not have the most up to date equipment yet to perform all the new tests. ?

Hell, MONTHLY testing, at owner's expense, at approved labs, should be required for any horse in order to race, even when not racing. There should never be ANY gaps in a horse's pharmaceutical record.

[bob60566]

Tom
Any idea why these tests are not performed as it might cut back on cheaters having a unfair advantage over others in a race.

Can you imagine how long you would last in a casino putting the house at a unfair advantage before the management got you tested.

[drfager]

Random testing at the Godolphin Sheikh Mohammed's barn in 2013 showed 11 horses positive for anabolic Steroids (AS).

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...itive-steroids

This catastrophic finding was an epiphany as it ultimately led to todays ultra-stringent drug rules in Europe. Horses are tested randomly in and out of completion for a long list of banned substances including AS. Testing positive incurs heavy fines, up to life time bans on the trainer, horse and vet. It saved European racing. Similar rules are in place in Japan and Hong Kong.

It is possible for horse racing to be drug free, safe and produce stars like Treve and Enable.

[bob60566]

Originally Posted by drfager

Random testing at the Godolphin Sheikh Mohammed's barn in 2013 showed 11 horses positive for anabolic Steroids (AS).

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...itive-steroids

This catastrophic finding was an epiphany as it ultimately led to todays ultra-stringent drug rules in Europe. Horses are tested randomly in and out of completion for a long list of banned substances including AS. Testing positive incurs heavy fines, up to life time bans on the trainer, horse and vet. It saved European racing. Similar rules are in place in Japan and Hong Kong.

It is possible for horse racing to be drug free, safe and produce stars like Treve and Enable.

Why is it not the case in North America, ? Maybe they have good reason not to be drug free.?

[drfager]

Or with the right dosage, you can get an 8yo 40k claimer to set a new 8F inner turf course record at Saratoga !

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by bob60566

Tom
Any idea why these tests are not performed as it might cut back on cheaters having a unfair advantage over others in a race.

Can you imagine how long you would last in a casino putting the house at a unfair advantage before the management got you tested.

Just ask Monmouth Park how well their handle is doing since this guy arrived!

[cutchemist42]

So what do we make of today?

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by cutchemist42

So what do we make of today?

Faced a solid field of competition and didn't have a 6 length lead at the top of the stretch to stride out comfortably.



Still a very very good horse. 1/5 was a ridiculous price in that quality of a field. Bettors backing him paid the price.



Wasn't like he got embarrassed getting beat by a nose/half head. He hit a brick wall and still nearly won.

[GMB@BP]

Thought he got a really strange ride , did not use his speed to open advantage or to get off rail.

[FantasticDan]

Richard Migliore made the point several times during the broadcast that he thought Jaramillo did Shancelot no favors by hard-riding and whipping him in deep stretch of the Amsterdam despite having a 10 length lead. He said he has seen many horses bounce after that type of ride/performance.