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Old Yesterday, 09:48 AM   #15076
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What I mean is exactly that Protestants try to interpret the Bible by themselves, ignoring the Holly Tradition and the Fathers of the Church, something that has as an immediate result to fall into heretical
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In Thessalonians 2 2-15 we read:

15*So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter

Note that the word 'teachings' does not perfectly translates the original Greek text, which writes: Παραδόσεις which means tradition rather than teachings.

Either way though, those 'traditions' (or teachings) that were passed by word of mouth consist what the Orthodox call Holly Tradition and has exactly the same validity as the text of the Holy Bible itself.


But Protestants are not by themselves. Have you heard of the Third Person of the Godhead? Do you understand that He ministers to the Father's people?

1 John 2:27
27 And as for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
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Mute point about 2 Thes 2:15. Traditions and teachings are used synonymously in scripture. There is not a thing wrong with holding to biblical traditions; but it is sinful to hold to the traditions of mere mortals.

Mark 7:1-13
7 And the Pharisees and some of the scribes gathered together around Him when they had come from Jerusalem, 2 and had seen that some of His disciples were eating their bread with impure hands, that is, unwashed. 3 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they carefully wash their hands, thus observing the traditions of the elders; 4 and when they come from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves; and there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers and copper pots.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their bread with impure hands?" 6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, 'This people honors Me with their lips,But their heart is far away from Me. 7 'But in vain do they worship Me,Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' 8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." 9 He was also saying to them, "You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 "For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death'; 11 but you say,' If a man says to his father or his mother, anything of mine you might have been helped by is Corban (that is to say, given to God),' 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
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Old Yesterday, 09:57 AM   #15077
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This thread is more suited for quacks with quirks than it is for quarks.


Now, now...don't insult Hcap like that. He can't help himself. Once you deny God...well...you're left with Nothing...and from this Great Expanse of Nothingness came the entire universe.

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Let's just say no to quarks.


Not to fear. Hcap doesn't want to go there. That would be, yet, another something that he would have to magically transform into nothing.

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Make of it what you will.


Okay...you have no point.

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Yeah...where did this light come from? Is light nothing?

Man are you out of it! All your objections, and whatever idiocy you choose this time to bounce around in your EXTREMELY empty has been answered many times. You, to put it succinctly know NOTHING

Therefore nothing exists and you seem to repeat it mindlessly over and over again.

What do you say we drop it until you write another 11 part BS piece about nothing?
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Old Yesterday, 10:58 AM   #15080
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Man are you out of it! All your objections, and whatever idiocy you choose this time to bounce around in your EXTREMELY empty has been answered many times. You, to put it succinctly know NOTHING

Therefore nothing exists and you seem to repeat it mindlessly over and over again.

What do you say we drop it until you write another 11 part BS piece about nothing?


You mean we don't get to hear your quackery about quarks and how these, too, are no things that are floatin' around in "empty space"?

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You mean we don't get to hear your quackery about quarks and how these, too, are no things that are floatin' around in "empty space"?
Go to work and write your new 12 part BS crapola treatise and I guarantee I will comment.
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Go to work and write your new 12 part BS crapola treatise and I guarantee I will comment.


So, you want a 23 part series, now? You couldn't handle the first 11.

Look, 'cappy, you are a staunch atheist, and you should just come out of your closet and admit already. Anyone who believes that from Nothing came Something not only denies the necessity of God in creation but denies the very existence of God himself; for Something cannot coexist with Nothing. A thing cannot exist (something) and not exist (nothing) at the same time and in the same relationship. To believe this violates the Laws of Logic because it violates the Law of Non-Contradiction.

Also, as pointed out a few times already, the self-creation theory is also just philosophically bankrupt and unintelligible because it, too, violates the Law of Non-Contradiction. In order for anything to create itself it must at once be and not be. It must exist to create what doesn't exist. Also, if it existed why would it need to create?

Maybe you, Actor and TJ should all meet at Actor's daughter's upcoming wedding so that Actor can buy y'all many rounds of drinks to celebrate your thoroughly self-defeating philosophies of Atheism and Materialism. Talk about a two-headed snake....

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I made a mistake and took you seriously recently, but your posts are just one ignorant rant after another. You have absolutely no concept of what things like matter, light or energy ares and are lost just doing arithmetic. The simplest mathematical expressions are beyond your pay grade. A word of advice. Better you stick to your biblical folklore fantasy world which you can babble about all you want without ever providing evidence or substantiating anything. Science and math are not your strong points, because they require you to know both well enough ---at least the basics, to at least make rational posts using common terms. Baby talk about biggy bang bang bangs, and quirky quacky quarks is about your level of expertise

Biblical LaLa land is pure fantasy that yes, we can make fun of it, but we can not demonstrate conclusively how irrational you and your circular posts really are. You can escape into your own biblical lunacy, (and you do often) but you can not bluff your way thu' science or math.

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Az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeide= if my grandmother had had balls, she'd have been my grandfather
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Okay...you have no point.



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If you didn't get it right off then it's too subtle for you.

However, I suspect that you did get it.
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