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04-26-2015, 12:17 AM
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Bush drew a line into the sand with an ultimatum, he followed through. Obama draws lines everywhere, huge difference.
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Well, Bush tried to, but he failed in his attempt to back it up. He left Iraq a much worse place than it was when he invade the country. His father, Bush41 saw the folly of invading Iraq. Which is the greater folly, drawing a line in the sand and then backing off or drawing a line in the sand and trying to back it up and failing in your attempt. Nobody is scared of us in the middle east anymore because they know we can not do any real harm to them. We have been exposed as a country with a hell of lot of weapons, but are unable to use them effectively against the kind of enemies we face over there. All we can do is come in and shoot up the place, but are unable to have any real control the place.
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04-26-2015, 09:07 AM
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Bush left Iraq far better than Obama let it get.
He dropped the ball.
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04-27-2015, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
His father, Bush41 saw the folly of invading Iraq.
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Many years had passed since then...things change...
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04-27-2015, 12:43 PM
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Many contend that had Saddam Hussein not been removed, he'd be one hell of a tyrant to deal with today.
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04-27-2015, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Many years had passed since then...things change...
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Not really. All that changed after 9/11 was the case for war against Saudi Arabia (I would not have supported that). The Iraq war was a huge strategic blunder, just as James Baker predicted pre-invasion.
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04-27-2015, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
Not really. All that changed after 9/11 was the case for war against Saudi Arabia (I would not have supported that). The Iraq war was a huge strategic blunder, just as James Baker predicted pre-invasion.
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And every military involvement prior was a strategic success?
We were batting 1.000 prior to Iraq?
What exactly is the point?
Vote for Rand Paul if you wish to severely lessen your chances of American military involvement during the next Presidential term.
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04-27-2015, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
The Iraq war was a huge strategic blunder, just as James Baker predicted pre-invasion.
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I agree. A major reason G. H. W. Bush did not push into Iraq from Kuwait and take down Saddam was that our military and intelligence people were sure that without Saddam, the country would break down into sectarian violence, and we had no idea of how to deal with that.
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04-27-2015, 01:14 PM
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Saddam wasn't going to live forever.
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04-27-2015, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Vote for Rand Paul if you wish to severely lessen your chances of American military involvement during the next Presidential term.
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I think just the opposite. Knowing Paul's isolationist philosophy, our enemies would be poking us at every opportunity.
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04-27-2015, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
And every military involvement prior was a strategic success?
We were batting 1.000 prior to Iraq?
What exactly is the point?
Vote for Rand Paul if you wish to severely lessen your chances of American military involvement during the next Presidential term.
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No need to get so upset.
What exactly is the point? We, as a country, should learn from our mistakes. I'm so radical and fringe.
Yes, I yearn for a Calvin Coolidge Republican. Guilty.
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04-27-2015, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
I think just the opposite. Knowing Paul's isolationist philosophy, our enemies would be poking us at every opportunity.
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Rand Paul, who will never be elected president, simply wants a more sensible foreign policy, projecting strength but avoiding unnecessary foreign entanglements. Pre-GWB, that was the policy of the Rep Party.
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04-27-2015, 01:56 PM
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Had Bush actually fought a WAR once we invaded, the results could have been drastically different, but he choose to listen to and try to accommodate the democrats, who were all for taking out SH until we actually something about it.
When you go to war, you better go 100% and not worry about anything but total victory ASAP. If you are not committed to totally destroying your enemy, you better stay home.
Bush failed to fight a real war.
The last war we won, WWI, we showed no mercy in Germany or Japan.
We won, they have never bothered us again, and today are allies.
Why we would ever consider anything less is beyond reason.
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04-27-2015, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Had Bush actually fought a WAR once we invaded, the results could have been drastically different, but he choose to listen to and try to accommodate the democrats, who were all for taking out SH until we actually something about it.
When you go to war, you better go 100% and not worry about anything but total victory ASAP. If you are not committed to totally destroying your enemy, you better stay home.
Bush failed to fight a real war.
The last war we won, WWI, we showed no mercy in Germany or Japan.
We won, they have never bothered us again, and today are allies.
Why we would ever consider anything less is beyond reason.
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There wasn't a war to fight post-invasion. The Iraq military was disbanded. Chaos ensued. At that point, there was no clear enemy. It wasn't a war our military was/is designed to win (except for special ops forces that are capable of almost anything or so it seems). And I think you mean WWII - most likely a typo.
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04-27-2015, 03:05 PM
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WWII, yes.
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04-27-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
No need to get so upset.
What exactly is the point? We, as a country, should learn from our mistakes. I'm so radical and fringe.
Yes, I yearn for a Calvin Coolidge Republican. Guilty.
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Yes, I am just so upset...somebody get me some Valium...
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