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sour grapes · 09-03-2018, 09:55 AM

in horserace insider,he is critical for california punting on the decision not to suspend him and says at least florida was swift to hand down a 60 day suspension to maragh,saying both cases cheated the bettor out of their money.

GMB@BP · 09-03-2018, 11:32 AM

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in horserace insider,he is critical for california punting on the decision not to suspend him and says at least florida was swift to hand down a 60 day suspension to maragh,saying both cases cheated the bettor out of their money.

I dont think these two are remotely related, one was an intention put over in a race, another was a rider gettting a little lazy at the end of the race. Both punished the bettor but the intentions are not close to the same, at least to me.

jay68802 · 09-03-2018, 11:40 AM

The cases were different in that, in one, the connections were betting and trying "influence" the outcome. In the other case, the jockey seemed to be the culprit. Both cases had the same ending, where the betting public was defrauded. Both cases should have involved a suspension. Saying one is a worse offence than the other is sending the wrong message to the public.

GMB@BP · 09-03-2018, 11:43 AM

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The cases were different in that, in one, the connections were betting and trying "influence" the outcome. In the other case, the jockey seemed to be the culprit. Both cases had the same ending, where the betting public was defrauded. Both cases should have involved a suspension. Saying one is a worse offence than the other is sending the wrong message to the public.

how many days you looking for with the jockey error?

just to extrapolate it, in the EU the fine riders for changing the running style of horses, do you think maybe we should also delve into those type of suspension, in a way they certainly mislead the betting public on the horse.

jay68802 · 09-03-2018, 01:32 PM

Was thinking at least 3 to 7 days.
As far as changing running styles, not something I can see happening here. With the difference in the style of racing in America compared to across the pond. Here, early speed is crucial, and is really important in maiden races. As the horse moves up the ladder, the running style might appear to change, but a lot of times it is just that the horse is facing faster runners. In Europe, even the young horses are taught to rate, and you see a lot more maiden winners that come from off the pace.

And one more thing, here, the stewards have a hard time figuring out herding and not keeping the horse in a straight line. I do not think they would be any better at judging if a rider changed the horses running style, or if it just broke poorly.

cj · 09-03-2018, 01:51 PM

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how many days you looking for with the jockey error?

just to extrapolate it, in the EU the fine riders for changing the running style of horses, do you think maybe we should also delve into those type of suspension, in a way they certainly mislead the betting public on the horse.

Do you take into account that this is season 20, episdode 10 for Kent?

AltonKelsey · 09-03-2018, 02:04 PM

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Do you take into account that this is season 20, episdode 10 for Kent?

This is true.

Wonder why he has so much trouble remembering to just ride past the wire.

Tom · 09-03-2018, 02:05 PM

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Do you take into account that this is season 20, episdode 10 for Kent?

Gosh, the way he rides, I thought he had been in syndication for a few years now!

GMB@BP · 09-03-2018, 02:35 PM

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Do you take into account that this is season 20, episdode 10 for Kent?

I would.

I think maybe 10-15 days. I just cant equate being dumb to a betting/intentionally holding horses kind of thing.

cj · 09-03-2018, 02:57 PM

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I would.

I think maybe 10-15 days. I just cant equate being dumb to a betting/intentionally holding horses kind of thing.

I agree with that. I don't equate them. I'd give Kent a month, the other guys would be much, much longer.

castaway01 · 09-03-2018, 05:16 PM

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Gosh, the way he rides, I thought he had been in syndication for a few years now!

You'd think he might get cancelled....

v j stauffer · 09-03-2018, 05:28 PM

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I agree with that. I don't equate them. I'd give Kent a month, the other guys would be much, much longer.

A month is a MASSIVE suspension.

cj · 09-03-2018, 05:31 PM

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A month is a MASSIVE suspension.

I agree. How many times should it take to get a massive suspension?

v j stauffer · 09-03-2018, 05:38 PM

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I agree. How many times should it take to get a massive suspension?

Has he been fined or given days for this type situation before?

Usually to get to something like a 30 day suspension it will be an accumulation of past sanctions.

An ascending penalty scale.

cj · 09-03-2018, 05:50 PM

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Has he been fined or given days for this type situation before?

Usually to get to something like a 30 day suspension it will be an accumulation of past sanctions.

An ascending penalty scale.

Yes, to the best of my memory, and not just once or twice either.