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04-07-2018, 10:34 AM
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"B" in PP Stakes Description
I don't use the hard copy DRF often. This abbreviation is not uncommon in it but I've yet to figure out (even using the DRF guide) what it stands for.
As an example, in today's Bluegrass (KEE Race 10), the 3, California Night, shows JWinkfildB 150k as its second race back. THe 8, Gotta Go, and others also have stakes races with a "B" showing as the last character as part of the stakes name (or description).
Can someone please tell me what the "B" stands for?
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04-07-2018, 11:03 AM
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Blacktype
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04-07-2018, 11:06 AM
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Thank you, RP, logical.
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04-07-2018, 02:15 PM
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I thought it was the Jimmy B. Winkfield!
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04-07-2018, 03:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OverlayHunter
Can someone please tell me what the "B" stands for?
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Can you post the whole description? Is it a capital or lower case "B"?
A lower case "b" at the end of a claiming race description means:
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A conditioned claiming race open to horses three-years-old and up but where the conditions of the race (e.g. non-winners of three races lifetime) do not apply to the three-year-olds.
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http://www.brisnet.com/library/rclass.pdf
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04-07-2018, 04:40 PM
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I's seeing a capital B in a few stakes races today.
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04-07-2018, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Racetrack Playa
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On further research, I find that this is the answer. I was not familiar with the term.
Unfortunately, there are different definitions of this in different places on the web. Some sites define it as a horse that has won a stakes race, others as one that has ever finished in the money in a stakes.
Any one with a definitive answer?
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04-07-2018, 06:13 PM
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I always thought that ungraded stakes races were that were listed as "Blacktype" was to indicate that they were of a better quality than those that weren't. This was supposed to help breeders as they could show the amount of graded stakes and Blacktypes their horses won or placed in, presumably to increase the breeding fee. Listing wins in non-Blacktype stakes added no value to the fee.
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04-10-2018, 08:34 AM
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Clocker, sorry for the delay, life intruded.
What I placed in the original post is, in fact, exactly how it appears in the DRF. I don't know if other PP sources show it the same way or if the "B" even appears in them.
"JWinkfildB 150k" is in the PP class column immediately following the times of the 2nd back PP race of the 3, California Night. You can see a similar "B" designation in the 4 race back for the 8, Gotta Go and the 7th race back for the 12, Flameaway.
I believe Racetrack Playa's explanation is correct.
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04-10-2018, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
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Even more specific on this unrelated to the OP designation, since it came up.
10,000B is a $10,000 claiming race for 3 year olds and up in which the older horses are restricted to N2L and the 3 year olds are not. You can have a 4 time winning 3 yo in with a bunch of maiden breaking older horses. 10,000C is exactly the same but the older horses are restricted to N3L. Again, the 3 yos can be 4, 5, 6 time winners, but the older horses can't have won more than twice.
Important stuff, and I've run across handicappers of many decades experience that can't read conditions. Not good.
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