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Old 03-05-2019, 07:55 PM   #1
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SA Racing Cancelled Indefinitely

Santa Anita: Track cancels racing indefinitely

Santa Anita has cancelled racing indefinitely to allow track consultant Dennis Moore to inspect a surface that has been plagued by a rash of equine fatalities in recent months, according to Tim Ritvo, the chief operating officer of The Stronach Group, the track's parent company.

Ritvo said racing will not be held this weekend, and declined to speculate on a date of resumption. Racing was scheduled from Friday through Sunday and was set to resume on Thursday, March 14. It was not clear on Tuesday whether racing would be held on March 14, Ritvo said.

The cancellation comes days before one of the track's biggest programs - the Grade 1 Santa Anita Handicap for older horses and the Grade 2 San Felipe Stakes for 3-year-olds, a key prep for the Grade 1 Santa Anita Derby and the Kentucky Derby.

(There will be more on this subject later on DRF.com)
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:23 PM   #2
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thats bad news-hope they get it fixed
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:59 PM   #3
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Tough decision but I think a good one.
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I'm guessing Baffert is booking a flight to Hot Springs. Rebel-Ark seems like the only logical play at this point.
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Based on what we know, I don't think that Santa Anita or California Horse Racing Board is handling this horrible problem well. This has been going on for over twenty years with many fatal breakdowns at Del Mar and Santa Anita in particular. And all they do is keep changing track surfaces. They had a safer surface with synthetic tracks, but they went back to dirt to get more Breeders Cups and possibly under pressure from trainer Bob Baffert, or others.

But this may not just be about the track itself. They should be launching an investigation with scientific testing of the horses, their bones, muscle and ligaments, the effects of long term lasix and other drugs. They should be conducting interviews with old time trainers, looking at the differences between the modern day thoroughbreds and the ones who raced years ago and raced more often and with less injuries.

They should also get unbiased data on comparisons with dirt vs synthetic.

In other words, they're not doing enough. And the industry has their head in the sand when it comes to lasix, which I personally feel could be a major problem.

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Old 03-06-2019, 02:13 PM   #6
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Based on what we know, I don't think that Santa Anita or California Horse Racing Board is handling this horrible problem well. This has been going on for over twenty years with many fatal breakdowns at Del Mar and Santa Anita in particular. And all they do is keep changing track surfaces. They had a safer surface with synthetic tracks, but they went back to dirt to get more Breeders Cups and possibly under pressure from trainer Bob Baffert, or others.

But this may not just be about the track itself. They should be launching an investigation with scientific testing of the horses, their bones, muscle and ligaments, the effects of long term lasix and other drugs. They should be conducting interviews with old time trainers, looking at the differences between the modern day thoroughbreds and the ones who raced years ago and raced more often and with less injuries.

They should also get unbiased data on comparisons with dirt vs synthetic.

In other words, they're not doing enough. And the industry has their head in the sand when it comes to lasix, which I personally feel could be a major problem.
if you are not racing on dirt then from a triple crown and breeders cup perspective you are not relevant, and if you are not relevant you might as well not race in socal due to the cost to operate there.

why did keeneland change back?
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From a historical perspective compared to modern day, they should also look at tendencies such as workout frequency, training patterns / practices, etc....and sort their data by Age / Gender as well.

Look at baseball pitchers nowadays. Why are so many getting Tommy John surgery and they are babied nowadays with pitch counts and inning restrictions. The pitchers of old would throw 130 pitches and come back two days later and pitch again.
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From a historical perspective compared to modern day, they should also look at tendencies such as workout frequency, training patterns / practices, etc....and sort their data by Age / Gender as well.

Look at baseball pitchers nowadays. Why are so many getting Tommy John surgery and they are babied nowadays with pitch counts and inning restrictions. The pitchers of old would throw 130 pitches and come back two days later and pitch again.
I think this is most likely a track surface issue.

And the reason so many American baseball pitchers get Tommy John at a young age is because kids who pitch at a high level are the opposite of babied---many throw ridiculous amounts of pitches throughout their youth in constant travel baseball and other showcase tournaments. They're pushed too hard by overzealous coaches who want to win a plastic trophy and by parents trying to get college scholarships. But that's off topic.
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I think this is most likely a track surface issue.

And the reason so many American baseball pitchers get Tommy John at a young age is because kids who pitch at a high level are the opposite of babied---many throw ridiculous amounts of pitches throughout their youth in constant travel baseball and other showcase tournaments. They're pushed too hard by overzealous coaches who want to win a plastic trophy and by parents trying to get college scholarships. But that's off topic.
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The old Lincoln Downs would race on frozen tracks and the rear stairs would be encrusted in frozen snow,you needed skis to get down!
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Are there any derby contenders needing points, that were hoping to get them at Santa Anita?
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I think this is most likely a track surface issue.

And the reason so many American baseball pitchers get Tommy John at a young age is because kids who pitch at a high level are the opposite of babied---many throw ridiculous amounts of pitches throughout their youth in constant travel baseball and other showcase tournaments. They're pushed too hard by overzealous coaches who want to win a plastic trophy and by parents trying to get college scholarships. But that's off topic.
The research about UCL repairs in correlation to overuse as a kid is extremely weak. I’ve only read one cohort study and it was straight up garbage.
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if you are not racing on dirt then from a triple crown and breeders cup perspective you are not relevant, and if you are not relevant you might as well not race in socal due to the cost to operate there.

why did keeneland change back?
I thought the Breeders Cup they ran on synthetic was relevant.
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Some bigwig from SA will be on the HRRN Saturday morning show tomorrow to give updates on the situation.
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I thought the Breeders Cup they ran on synthetic was relevant.
The betting (at least for the Classic part that I still remember) was great. The Public bet it like a dirt race, and I keyed both Ravens Pass and Henrythenavigator... , but value or not, (IMO at least) the racing was goofy.

We have a great sport with dirt and turf..., I feel like synth is 'artificial turf'. Not a fan. Why are we ever intentionally running a major graded stakes race on synth?

Yes the betting opportunity was great, but given some time the public would adjust.

Dirt is here to stay, but hypothetically, if we had to drop dirt, would rather only schedule stakes on turf, and use synth for heavy rain/cheaper fields.
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