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Old 02-15-2018, 08:42 AM   #16
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I ordered as soon as this was posted two days ago - so far, no product by email, no replies to mine.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:34 AM   #17
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Tom,

I want to say thanks for the information. I tried to call that number and sent a email with no reply back.

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I also bought a pick 3 pick 4 service All I got was a receipt from PayPal and no confirmation. Sent 2 e-mails and left a message on his phone. all I got that he would be back in an hour tried again same message. Tried yesterday all I got was a busy signal all day
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Old 02-15-2018, 03:05 PM   #19
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Hello,

I call the number all day long and it was also busy.
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Old 02-15-2018, 05:11 PM   #20
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I'm going to call PayPal and ask for a refund.
Let you know what happens.

When your website says same day delivery, or next morning, that is what I expect.
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Tom,

I agree with you, as it looks like a scam, we hope not.

Thanks!
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I'm going to call PayPal and ask for a refund.
Let you know what happens.

When your website says same day delivery, or next morning, that is what I expect.
I no the feeling .
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Got through on the phone today.
No product will be shipped. Refund coming.
Guy has been sick and can't continue it.
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Thanks for the heads up! Glad you getting your money back.

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Think about this Dave...

Actually YOU ARE using paceline selections in every race you do....

maybe its not by your hand but it is your set of rules that created it..

a PC doesnt run on its own ...you told it what to do and look for in each race

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I know that many of the systems/analysts in HSH are based on composite (?) factors and weighted ranks. The original NewPace employee concepts such as population samples, weighted/composite numbers. Dave fine tuned the approach over time, but the point is that an analyst does not use a single paceline to represent “the” horse. It attempts to take into account the horse’s history (or comparable parts of it) and weighs it against the other runners and expected profit/loss ($net).
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I know that many of the systems/analysts in HSH are based on composite (?) factors and weighted ranks. The original NewPace employee concepts such as population samples, weighted/composite numbers. Dave fine tuned the approach over time, but the point is that an analyst does not use a single paceline to represent “the” horse. It attempts to take into account the horse’s history (or comparable parts of it) and weighs it against the other runners and expected profit/loss ($net).
Hey Jeeb....

I had/used New Pace too...
What was your take on it..?
Still use it?


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I know that many of the systems/analysts in HSH are based on composite (?) factors and weighted ranks. The original NewPace employee concepts such as population samples, weighted/composite numbers. Dave fine tuned the approach over time, but the point is that an analyst does not use a single paceline to represent “the” horse. It attempts to take into account the horse’s history (or comparable parts of it) and weighs it against the other runners and expected profit/loss ($net).
That is exactly right. Thanks, Jeebus.

The idea is to emulate paceline selection without actually selecting pacelines. It works amazingly well.

Consider the old Sartin concept of EP-SP-W being the only factors.



You wind up with 10 pacelines, each with 3 possibilities=30 choices. Then you interpret the model and ultimately use one column. (or maybe more)

Thus, if you chose the 2nd paceline back and decided that EP was the column to use...




All we've done is built a modeling process that begins with the 3 columns, based upon things like Last Race, Best of Last 2 Races, 2nd Best ever, etc. In this example, there are actually 39 possible choices.

Thus, if our model said that the most important factor was EP, Best-2-of-Last-3, we'd select this:




We actually model 8 factors x 13 measurements, so there are 104 possible choices.

All of this, without selecting an actual paceline.

BTW, in the new software I am building which I hope will be in beta before the Derby, there are around 10,000 combinations.


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Good stuff, as always, Dave
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Got through on the phone today.
No product will be shipped. Refund coming.
Guy has been sick and can't continue it.
Update:

File a claim with PayPal today, as no refund has come yet.
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Tom...Lets go get that UPTHECREEK GUY...
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