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Old 07-27-2018, 10:15 PM   #121
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It has been explained to me from people in the industry that TS is trying to build a sports betting platform on top of their aging racing platform.

If this is true then it is more likely sports betting issues will get more attention than race betting issues.
What these ADWs don't seem to realize is that sports-betting can be a very risky short-term endeavor for the bet-taker. What will Twinspires do with the customers who win consistently at sports-betting? Ban them...and then lose them as horseplaying customers too?
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:05 PM   #122
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What these ADWs don't seem to realize is that sports-betting can be a very risky short-term endeavor for the bet-taker. What will Twinspires do with the customers who win consistently at sports-betting? Ban them...and then lose them as horseplaying customers too?
You seem to be assuming that Twinspires and other new North American sports books would operate under the principle of wanting to avoid the winning players because they are booking their action directly, and it cuts into their profits. I'm not sure that will be the model they use, which is what numerous offshore establishments did.

I would guess that .gov is going to take a bigger slice of the action, and that the sportsbooks will be content with simply grabbing a slice of the action, and not care whether or not the individual is winning or losing. In this game, it wouldn't surprise me to see them offer a rebate (lower juice) to the larger and winning bettors to pump the handle up. This will especially be true if peer-to-peer wagers are allowed.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure Twinspires will be that big of player. Tonight they can't even get the video from Australia working, though audio is available. Logging into Xpressbet, I get to actually watch the race I'm betting. How nice.
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:58 AM   #123
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Twinspires came out with an updated interface for their site today, and surprise, surprise, the Pro (Youbets) Platform doesn't work.

I'm sure they'll get that working, but as they continue to prove, they are not very good (or considerate) when reinventing the wheel.

Off the top of my head, they've taken away Supertote, made the exotic probables impossible to automate, "disabled" file uploading, and made sure that you can't download simultaneous Race Files from Brisnet.

But I hear that their stock is doing great. Keep up the good work!
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:37 AM   #124
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Update... Wager Pro is working again
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Old 07-30-2018, 11:27 AM   #125
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... made the exotic probables impossible to automate...
Bill -- what do you mean by the exotic probable are impossible to automate?

My software for the Dr. Z Exacta system works well with their tote board.
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Old 07-30-2018, 11:56 AM   #126
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"Bill -- what do you mean by the exotic probables are impossible to automate?"

I used to be able to pull the data into Excel and have it auto-refresh at 3 minute intervals. The Twinspires interface now prevents me from doing so.

I'm an intermediate computer user, so if there is still a way to automate it (other than copy & paste), I'd really appreciate knowing how.
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Old 07-30-2018, 12:09 PM   #127
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"Bill -- what do you mean by the exotic probables are impossible to automate?"

I used to be able to pull the data into Excel and have it auto-refresh at 3 minute intervals. The Twinspires interface now prevents me from doing so.

I'm an intermediate computer user, so if there is still a way to automate it (other than copy & paste), I'd really appreciate knowing how.
I was able to import the exacta grid into excel using this link:

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https://m.twinspires.com/php/fw/php_BRIS_BatchAPI/2.3/Tote/ExactaProbables?username=iphone&password=ru13juhyo&ip=10.20.2.248&affid=2800&affiliateId=2800&track=SAR&type=Thoroughbred&race=1
You will manually need to change the track abbreviation. Saratoga -- SAR -- is being used here.

Change Thoroughbred to Greyhound or Harness for whatever race type you are looking at.

Change the race number

Open Excel. Click on "Data" in the menu bar at the top of the screen.

Click "From Web"

Past the link in the Address bar and then click "Go".

It will probably take a few seconds to load the XML data. When the XML data appears click the "yellow and black right arrow" to select the table you want to import. There should only be one table and clicking the arrow should highlight all the XML data in the textbox..

Click "Import". Then click "OK" to put the data in the Column A row 1 or wherever you want it to appear. This might take a moment or so to load.

You can click the "Refresh" button occasionally to update the data.

Don't worry about the userid and password. Those are dummy placeholders. Doesn't seem to matter what you put in there. Those aren't mine.

These links have worked for me for about a month. They have worked for others for at least a year. I assume they will keep working until TS decides to change them just to screw with horseplayers. Although, I don't know why they would change the way this works. You have to manually refresh the data, so it's not like you're hitting their servers 500 times per minute trying to get updates. It's no different than refreshing your browser. Actually, because you have to refresh manually, your usage will be even less than a browser because a browser updates automatically.

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Old 07-30-2018, 12:23 PM   #128
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WOW! I'll give it a go.
Thank you so much, Bill
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Old 07-30-2018, 04:58 PM   #129
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Just what I needed, having the ability to change my password or pin, stable alerts, a link to sign up for twinspires and all the other account information taking up 1/3 of my wagering interface. They truly are clueless!

I am certain the people that thought these changes are good are people who have never wagered on a race!

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Old 07-30-2018, 06:56 PM   #130
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Just what I needed, having the ability to change my password or pin, stable alerts, a link to sign up for twinspires and all the other account information taking up 1/3 of my wagering interface. They truly are clueless!

I am certain the people that thought these changes are good are people who have never wagered on a race!
About 20 years ago I saw the need for a horseplayer cooperative that would try to help address the needs of horseplayers. The Paceadvantage platform allowed that to happen. I started posting about the idea on Paceadvantage. When I saw that the idea was gaining traction I asked Mike if he could make a "war room" available for us to use. He agreed to. The Paceadvantage war room was where the Horseplayers Association of North America (HANA) was born.

My vision for HANA was that HANA would have some dialogue with racetrack executives about what horseplayers like/don't like, want/don't want, and use/don't use.

Yavapai Downs executives reached out to HANA. Jeff Platt and I met with them and had a very interesting meeting. Yavapai's troubles were too big and had been going on too long for them to be able to overcome them.

It was a long time ago, but as I recall, at the Yavapai meeting Jeff and I recommended focusing on being extremely horseplayer friendly by lowering takeout, starting a wagering platform, and other horseplayer-friendly actions. Yavapai was constrained by legislation about how much they could raise rates. Agreements with Turf Paradise had them over a barrel. The inability to implement a better account wagering system was a big negative. They needed capital to give them another couple years of runway so that they could attempt to change Arizona policies. The AZ politicians tended to side with Indian casinos who were big political donors and passed legislation favorable to the casinos which were unfavorable to Yavapai. Yavapai ran out of time and money and ceased operations not long after our meeting.

I visited KY Downs and had a very nice meeting with some of the staff there. They were doing the rights things and have had good success.

Keeneland invited to their track Jeff and other HANA members. I did not attend the meeting, but it seemed productive. Keeneland kept takeout rates lower, but eventually raised them much to the chagrin of HANA. We'll see how it turns out for them in the longer run.

Other tracks have not been as receptive to HANA's calls for reduced takeout. Hollywood Park comes to mind. The track no longer exists.

Churchill Downs also raised their rates against the wishes of HANA members. I'm not sure if CD has ever listened to a word from horseplayers about what they want. CD bought BRIS and then closed Supertote. Supertote was a great horseplayer resource. I get that it didn't look like the rest of the twinspires property, but that was not a big deal. Any programmer could have changed the look of it, but kept its functionality the same. Instead, TS closed it down and replaced it with the new TS online toteboard which is much more difficult to navigate and use to import into excel or other software for analysis.

Why is it so difficult to consider what horseplayers want instead of ramming a website or policy change down horseplayers' throats without horseplayer input?

Recently, have any racetracks reached out to HANA for input on how their services could be better?

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Old 07-30-2018, 08:01 PM   #131
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I'm having issues with the NEW web page also. I CANNOT access the BRISNET STABLE ALERT. I called and used the ONLINE CHAT with no results. They ( twin spires REP) said they are aware of the problem and working on it.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:28 PM   #132
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I can access the "Recall Today's Bets" page to check on my bets but that's inconvenient. The Xpress/Pro interface used to show "Bet Total", "Pool", and "Selections" in the window next to the odds section on the interface, which was very convenient. Now it's not there.

I emailed them several hours ago... no response.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:34 PM   #133
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I'm having issues with the NEW web page also. I CANNOT access the BRISNET STABLE ALERT. I called and used the ONLINE CHAT with no results. They ( twin spires REP) said they are aware of the problem and working on it.

Just out of curiosity, did you previously use the MAIN WAGERING PAGE to access your stable alert?



I have used the Twinspires classic page to make my wagers. I didn't use it for, WHAT TAKES UP WAY TOO MUCH SPACE FOR THE FOLLOWING ITEMS I HAVE NO NEED FOR ON MY NEW WAGERING INTERFACE PAGE: Tax reports, players pools, racing results, Smartphone mobile site, horse racing tracks, $100 sign up bonus! I could go on but what seriously annoys me is it takes up too much space and reduces the size wagering interface page that shows me information I WANT WHEN I WANT TO MAKE A WAGER! I don't know who the clown is that thinks this was an improvement but who ever that person is should be fired.

Then again, Twinspires and Churchill are a CASINO COMPANY FIRST and they live by the philosophy that has helped to destroy racing over the last 7 decades. Treat the racing customer like S#!T! Then again, every year I realize why I wager less and NEVER introduce people to the game. You can only S#!t on people for so long.
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Old 07-30-2018, 10:47 PM   #134
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Old 07-31-2018, 12:54 AM   #135
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I agree 100%..What is up with the dark blue margins all around the actual track listings when using the classic interface? I use a 32 inch monitor. The blue area around the track frame takes up at least 40% of the screen. Why do I want to see 32 tabs on the right side of the screen while I'm betting..A total waste of space. If I enlarge the screen so the left and right blue margins are gone..The top margin is still there...And if you hit the program tab or tools tab...you get one or two races listed below without having to scroll down. I opened up the chat box with someone at twinspires today. She said that my display on my monitor needed adjusted. I said..don't think so.. I took a pic and sent it to her. I'm sure many are complaining.
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