The coronavirus

[RunForTheRoses]

https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/signif...up-to-2-years/

he United States should prepare for another 18 to 24 months of “significant COVID-19 activity” — which likely won’t end until about 60 to 70 percent of the population has been infected, recovers and develops herd immunity, experts reveal in a new report.
The report, released Thursday by the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, warned Americans of a worst-case scenario that would involve a larger wave of COVID-19 infections coming in the fall and winter, and one or more smaller waves in 2021.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by lansdale

This piece, which has many links worth a look, lays out an emerging picture of Covid-19, taken from accounts by front-line medical personnel, that departs from the initial version. In sum, it attacks not just the lungs, but every organ system; there may be as many as 30 different strains of the disease, some much more powerful than others; a dry cough, not fever, has been the most highly correlated symptom for those who have tested positive. Even some patients who survived, have suffered severe enough kidney damage to be put on dialysis and relatively young, asymptomatic survivors have had strokes. Many researchers are beginning to believe that this ability to mutate so often will make finding a vaccine that much more difficult.



" A couple of days later, in a pre-print paper others questioned, scientists reported finding that the ability of the disease to mutate has been “vastly underestimated” — investigating the disease as it appeared in just 11 patients, they said they found 30 mutations. “The most aggressive strains could generate 270 times as much viral load as the weakest type,” the South China Morning-Post reported. “These strains also killed the cells the fastest.”

That same day, the Washington Post reported on another theory gaining traction among American doctors treating the disease — that one key could be the way COVID-19 affects the blood of patients, producing much more clotting. “Autopsies have shown that some people’s lungs are filled with hundreds of microclots,” the Post reported. “Errant blood clots of a larger size can break off and travel to the brain or heart, causing a stroke or a heart attack.”

But the bigger-picture perspective the newspaper offered is perhaps more eye-opening and to the point:

One month ago, as the country went into lockdown to prepare for the first wave of coronavirus cases, many doctors felt confident that they knew what they were dealing with. Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a very contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. But they’ve since become increasingly convinced that covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.
That is a dizzying list. But it is not even comprehensive. In a fantastic survey published April 17 (“How does coronavirus kill? Clinicians trace a ferocious rampage through the body, from brain to toes,” by Meredith Wadman, Jennifer Couzin-Frankel, Jocelyn Kaiser, and Catherine Matacic), Science magazine took a thorough, detailed tour of the ever-evolving state of understanding of the disease. “Despite the more than 1,000 papers now spilling into journals and onto preprint servers every week,” Science concluded, “a clear picture is elusive, as the virus acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen.”

In a single illuminating chart, Science lists the following organs as being vulnerable to COVID-19: brain, eyes, nose, lungs, heart, blood vessels, livers, kidneys, intestines. That is to say, nearly every organ:"


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/...mpression=true

How is it that such a supposedly virulent, mutant, WILDLY effective, TOTAL BODY KILLING MACHINE, has only managed to kill 233,688 people worldwide in 3+ months of official tracking?

By years of accepted data collection, the flu can easily kill 600,000+ during a particularly bad season. A season which lasts 5-6 months tops. (and remember, the FLU has a VACCINE)

Maybe the COVID-19 season will last longer, we don't know yet.

But assuming the length of the "seasons" are similar, we should have seen significantly more than 300,000 deaths at this point if COVID-19 is WILDY MORE DEADLY than the good ol' flu. Yet we're not even close to the 300,000 mark at this point...

Please reconcile this important fact for me.

[ultracapper]

The governor of Michigan just told the state legislature to beat sand, and utilized executive order to extend that state's lockdown.

There is so much unconstitutional crap going on in this country right now, it's heartbreaking. This country has been taken over by scary monsters and the powers that be think it's just fine to use any powers they have, or might not even have, to chase that big old mean scary monster right out from under their beds.

This whole situation is starting to get dangerous. On a scale of 1-10 the things that scare me most: COVID-19 is a .5, the economic price we are paying is about a 6 or 7, the powers our governments are exercising, 9.9999.

[ReplayRandall]

It's all right here, from the World Economic Forum--Strategic Intelligence

Just click on the link, and click on to any tangent you wish to see, a real rabbit hole of info.

https://intelligence.weforum.org/top...b=publications


*Click on the circles surrounding the middle and it will highlight the connections to the outer circle.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

It's all right here, from the World Economic Forum--Strategic Intelligence

Just click on the link, and click on to any tangent you wish to see, a real rabbit hole of info.

https://intelligence.weforum.org/top...b=publications


*Click on the circles surrounding the middle and it will highlight the connections to the outer circle.

I enjoyed this portion most thus far:

There have been abundant examples of irresponsible behaviour in the face of the spreading epidemic. Mask hoarding has become an issue, to the point where the French government felt compelled to requisition all current and future local stocks of protective masks in order to ensure they will be available for health workers and patients. Some of the more egregious examples of irresponsible behaviour have included attempting to assign blame for (or assign a nationality to) the outbreak, attempting to sell “nonmedical immune boosters” as a means to ward off infection, and suggesting that the severity of COVID-19 has been hyped for political purposes. Shortcomings have also been exposed when it comes to official preparation for such an outbreak, particularly in terms of testing capabilities and activity. For example, by the beginning of March South Korea had performed more than 100,000 tests for the coronavirus on patients, or more than 2,000 per million people, while the US had tested less than 500 people in total at the same point. Faulty test kits were initially distributed in the US in February, and there have been some delays in delivering testing kits to states.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Just when we thought it was safe to go back in the water...

At this point feels like when its your time its your time, cant stop a meteor from hitting the earth kind of thing.

Initially concern was you would die because you couldnt get a hospital bed.

Nows its your gonna die if your body gets crushed by the most contagious contagion to ever face the planet.

If thats the case hardly seems like there is much you can do about it.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

How is it that such a supposedly virulent, mutant, WILDLY effective, TOTAL BODY KILLING MACHINE, has only managed to kill 233,688 people worldwide in 3+ months of official tracking?

I've given up trusting any stats on this disease.
If anything, the fatalities that are attributed to COVID-19 are falsely inflated to suit political agendas.
You can die from a disease or
you can die with a disease.
Many places are not differentiating between from and with.
An elderly person in a nursing home might be ready to die in the next few days.
However, if he dies with COVID-19 authorities will record it as if he died from COVID-19. That is just one problem with the figures.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

I've given up trusting any stats on this disease.
If anything, the fatalities that are attributed to COVID-19 are falsely inflated to suit political agendas.
You can die from a disease or
you can die with a disease.
Many places are not differentiating between from and with.
An elderly person in a nursing home might be ready to die in the next few days.
However, if he dies with COVID-19 authorities will record it as if he died from COVID-19. That is just one problem with the figures.

HEY!!! Now STOP that RIGHT NOW. That kind of talk is irresponsible behavior. You'll get us all killed.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

How is it that such a supposedly virulent, mutant, WILDLY effective, TOTAL BODY KILLING MACHINE, has only managed to kill 233,688 people worldwide in 3+ months of official tracking?

By years of accepted data collection, the flu can easily kill 600,000+ during a particularly bad season. A season which lasts 5-6 months tops. (and remember, the FLU has a VACCINE)

Maybe the COVID-19 season will last longer, we don't know yet.

But assuming the length of the "seasons" are similar, we should have seen significantly more than 300,000 deaths at this point if COVID-19 is WILDY MORE DEADLY than the good ol' flu. Yet we're not even close to the 300,000 mark at this point...

Please reconcile this important fact for me.

Lol. CDC estimates flu deaths.

As opposed to COVID deaths which are not estimated.

Allan

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

As opposed to COVID deaths which are not estimated.

Not only aren't they estimated, they are often times completely manufactured out of thin air.

But when doctors say this, they are removed from YouTube.

You have a lot of balls being critical of me.

Heal thyself, Allan.

[Redboard]

Originally Posted by lansdale

This piece, which has many links worth a look, lays out an emerging picture of Covid-19, taken from accounts by front-line medical personnel, that departs from the initial version. In sum, it attacks not just the lungs, but every organ system; there may be as many as 30 different strains of the disease, some much more powerful than others; a dry cough, not fever, has been the most highly correlated symptom for those who have tested positive. Even some patients who survived, have suffered severe enough kidney damage to be put on dialysis and relatively young, asymptomatic survivors have had strokes. Many researchers are beginning to believe that this ability to mutate so often will make finding a vaccine that much more difficult.
….
In a single illuminating chart, Science lists the following organs as being vulnerable to COVID-19: brain, eyes, nose, lungs, heart, blood vessels, livers, kidneys, intestines. That is to say, nearly every organ:"


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/...mpression=true

I wonder if the doctors quoted in this article are asking for more research dollars? Ok, that was harsh. It's scary. Still the mortality rate is only 1-2%. I think they'll find out that some people are immune to it, and some aren't. And if you aren't, then you are out of luck so start using heroin and writing bad checks. ( I just got a shipment of Mexican Fentanyl if anyone is interested, that's a joke. )

I had mentioned here before that I went through a bout of Lyme disease more than 20 years ago. Most people are immune to it. Most can get bitten by ticks and even get the classic bullseye rash (this is a red circle on your skin with a red area in the middle), and never feel symptoms, however, some get horrible symptoms for years (if not properly treated).

It's all about your immune system.

[RunForTheRoses]

Robert Redford weighing in:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...climate-change

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Not only aren't they estimated, they are often times completely manufactured out of thin air.

But when doctors say this, they are removed from YouTube.

You have a lot of balls being critical of me.

Heal thyself, Allan.

So those mass graves they dug and placed coffins in were estimated.

Lol.

Allan

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by Redboard

Still the mortality rate is only 1-2%.

Sorry, but the mortality rate is far lower than that.
That number is for those who were deemed to have been infected by it.

Otherwise, the true mortality rate is roughly .0003.
That means, when the whole population is included, 3 will die (most likely elderly and pre-existing conditions), and 9,997 will live for every 10,000 people.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Sorry, but the mortality rate is far lower than that.
That number is for those who were deemed to have been infected by it.

Otherwise, the true mortality rate is roughly .0003.
That means, when the whole population is included, 3 will die (most likely elderly and pre-existing conditions), and 9,997 will live for every 10,000 people.

Not counting the ones in Florida who died of Covid and were not reported.

Allan