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Old 05-18-2018, 10:47 AM   #1
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PIM races on turf today?

Seeing conflicting reports on what races are on the turf today at Pimlico, anybody know for sure?


2, 6 & 8 definitely off

12th definitely on
4th & 14th I have seen listed each way, so here's where the confusion lies
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:52 AM   #2
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Seeing conflicting reports on what races are on the turf today at Pimlico, anybody know for sure?


2, 6 & 8 definitely off

12th definitely on
4th & 14th I have seen listed each way, so here's where the confusion lies
On Pimlico.com/equibase, as of 1031 am " Some races remain scheduled for the turf"
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Old 05-18-2018, 10:59 AM   #3
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On Pimlico.com/equibase, as of 1031 am " Some races remain scheduled for the turf"
Equibase had 4 and 14 off the turf but now they seem back on. The stakes (10 and 12) are probably staying on no matter what.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:04 AM   #4
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Announcers finishing up the pre-race discussion said only 2, 6 & 8 are off the turf & everything else on at the moment.



Pimlico TV channel scroll doesn't even make mention of any race being off the turf as it goes through the changes.



DRF bets (which uses xpressbet info I believe) shows 2,4,6,8 & 14 as off.


Simply put, another embarrassing job communicating vital info to players on what is supposed to be a premier day
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:19 AM   #5
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There is some really good info here:

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/42544-pi...ef-course-walk
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:39 AM   #7
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Same question for today??


Equibase shows only the 9th as still on the turf which makes very little sense. However the stake races with all the scratches say "trainer" as reason instead of "off turf" which is the same mistake they made yesterday before correcting that races were still on the grass.
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:43 AM   #8
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Same question for today??


Equibase shows only the 9th as still on the turf which makes very little sense. However the stake races with all the scratches say "trainer" as reason instead of "off turf" which is the same mistake they made yesterday before correcting that races were still on the grass.

The 9th is the only race on turf today at Pimlico.


There are 41 scratches in the 14 race card. Heavy numbers of scratches in R2, R4, R11, and R12. R7 G2 Dixie is now a 4 horse field.
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:48 AM   #9
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The 9th is the only race on turf today at Pimlico.


There are 41 scratches in the 14 race card. Heavy numbers of scratches in R2, R4, R11, and R12. R7 G2 Dixie is now a 4 horse field.
This is correct.
The turf is listed as "soft" for Race 9.
All other turf races are on the main, and the 5th race runs at 1 mile 1/16th.
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:55 AM   #10
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Announcers finishing up the pre-race discussion said only 2, 6 & 8 are off the turf & everything else on at the moment.



Pimlico TV channel scroll doesn't even make mention of any race being off the turf as it goes through the changes.



DRF bets (which uses xpressbet info I believe) shows 2,4,6,8 & 14 as off.


Simply put, another embarrassing job communicating vital info to players on what is supposed to be a premier day
Track feed graphics are terrible, how are they not embarrassed? At least have a static on top of the screen indicating which races are on the turf. That crawler on the bottom is designed to create confusion. Insanity. With all those surface changes, scratches, possible distance changes you need a fixed screen dedicated to changes that is shown every 5 minutes or so. That may not be sound appealing to the hosts but the current system is ridiculous. Challenge anyone playing a pick 5 to get accurate readings looking at the track feed.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:06 AM   #11
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Equibase had 4 and 14 off the turf but now they seem back on. The stakes (10 and 12) are probably staying on no matter what.

As discussed many times on Twitter Saturday, this is factually incorrect.



The track has the ability to enter changes and scratches, including scratch reason, prior to the Chart Callers arriving. This is what occurred at 9:46 AM at which time horses scratched in races 4 and 14 had the scratch reason displayed as "Off-Turf.



When the Callers Arrived, those scratch reasons were changed to "Trainer." This was finalized at 10:28, more an one hour before first post.


At no time did the information for the race display "Turf Changed to Dirt" for races 4 and 14 as it did for the races which had been officially moved from Turf to Dirt.
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Same question for today??


Equibase shows only the 9th as still on the turf which makes very little sense. However the stake races with all the scratches say "trainer" as reason instead of "off turf" which is the same mistake they made yesterday before correcting that races were still on the grass.

The scratch reason of "Trainer" for race 9 was correct as trainers had scratched due to the condition of the course at that time. The track later said they decided to keep the Gallorette on the grass and not the Dixie because they had already had trainers scratch due to course condition in the Dixie but did not have the same issue (except for Cambodia at the time) in the Gallorrette.



There was no mistake made on Friday regarding the races 4 and 14 being moved to the dirt that were not. Those races did not display "turf moved to dirt" as other races did.



The scratch reasons displayed for races 4 and 10 were "Off-turf" from 9:46 until 10:28. Tracks have the ability to enter scratches, along with scratch reasons, before the Chart Callers arrive and this is what occurred. When the Chart Callers arrived the scratch reasons were changed to "Trainer."
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As discussed many times on Twitter Saturday, this is factually incorrect.



The track has the ability to enter changes and scratches, including scratch reason, prior to the Chart Callers arriving. This is what occurred at 9:46 AM at which time horses scratched in races 4 and 14 had the scratch reason displayed as "Off-Turf.



When the Callers Arrived, those scratch reasons were changed to "Trainer." This was finalized at 10:28, more an one hour before first post.


At no time did the information for the race display "Turf Changed to Dirt" for races 4 and 14 as it did for the races which had been officially moved from Turf to Dirt.
Surely you can understand the confusion people would have when scratches said "Off-Turf" originally.
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There was no mistake made on Friday regarding the races 4 and 14 being moved to the dirt that were not. Those races did not display "turf moved to dirt" as other races did.



The scratch reasons displayed for races 4 and 10 were "Off-turf" from 9:46 until 10:28. Tracks have the ability to enter scratches, along with scratch reasons, before the Chart Callers arrive and this is what occurred. When the Chart Callers arrived the scratch reasons were changed to "Trainer."
Yes I'd call it a mistake. I saw the scratches during that time frame and it said "Off Turf" as the reason.

I have been checking scratches for four decades and I assumed the races were off the turf, as did everyone else.

The TVG talking heads were confused, as I am sure everyone was.

Absolutely no excuse for such nonsense on a big racing day when so many people go to local tracks and OTBs and wager early.

Equibase needs to join the modern era on how they disseminate information. It's not 1983 anymore.
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:23 PM   #15
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Surely you can understand the confusion people would have when scratches said "Off-Turf" originally.

I am not arguing scratches labeled as "off turf" may have been confusing. Certainly it was at odds with there being no label for the race "surface turf changed to dirt" as there was for the races at that time which had been switched to the main track.



This was done at the track level and it was corrected by Equibase personnel more than an hour before first post, for races 4 and 14 only.
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