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06-06-2018, 01:54 PM
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PP Stats for Mohawk
Does anybody have post position winning statistics for Mohawk?
The track program pp's I download from their website only have early this year. April, I believe.
Nothing current.
I noticed a trotter won from the 10 last night and their old data showed zero wins from that post previously.
I wish they'd update their program information and make it up to date!
In the meantime, does anyone here have anything current?
Thanks.
Last edited by Denny; 06-06-2018 at 01:59 PM.
Reason: punctuation, grammar
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06-06-2018, 03:10 PM
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Denny, here is the current one:-
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Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018
Pace
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
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Starts 225 225 225 225 225 222 214 187 132 73 2
Win 29 23 17 30 38 42 22 13 7 4 0
Win% 12.9 10.2 7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3 7.0 5.3 5.5 0.0
Trot
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
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Starts 109 109 109 109 109 108 104 91 78 52 1
Win 7 16 11 15 17 24 5 6 6 2 0
Win% 6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2 4.8 6.6 7.7 3.8 0.0
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06-06-2018, 05:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EdZone
Denny, here is the current one:-
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Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018
Pace
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
- - - - - - - - - -- --
Starts 225 225 225 225 225 222 214 187 132 73 2
Win 29 23 17 30 38 42 22 13 7 4 0
Win% 12.9 10.2 7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3 7.0 5.3 5.5 0.0
Trot
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
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Starts 109 109 109 109 109 108 104 91 78 52 1
Win 7 16 11 15 17 24 5 6 6 2 0
Win% 6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2 4.8 6.6 7.7 3.8 0.0
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Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
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06-06-2018, 10:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Biscuit
Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
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Thank you Ed.
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06-06-2018, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Biscuit
Ed can you tell us from where you got the above stats?
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SB, I just got home late tonight.
http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/con...hawk-park.html
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06-07-2018, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZone
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Thanks Ed.
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06-07-2018, 03:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EdZone
Denny, here is the current one:-
Code:
Winning Post Positions
April 12 to June 5, 2018
Pace
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
- - - - - - - - - -- --
Starts 225 225 225 225 225 222 214 187 132 73 2
Win 29 23 17 30 38 42 22 13 7 4 0
Win% 12.9 10.2 7.6 13.3 16.9 18.9 10.3 7.0 5.3 5.5 0.0
Trot
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
- - - - - - - - - -- --
Starts 109 109 109 109 109 108 104 91 78 52 1
Win 7 16 11 15 17 24 5 6 6 2 0
Win% 6.4 14.7 10.1 13.8 15.6 22.2 4.8 6.6 7.7 3.8 0.0
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I just started to follow this track for the first time. These post position stats are pretty biased for a two turn track. Compare to the Meadowlands where post 1 is winning at 7.7 this year, post 8 is 10.9, post 9 is 8.2 and post 10 is 8. So in other words, the Meadowlands does not have a post position bias, perhaps one of the reasons why it's the number 1 track in terms of handle.
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06-07-2018, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pandy
I just started to follow this track for the first time. These post position stats are pretty biased for a two turn track. Compare to the Meadowlands where post 1 is winning at 7.7 this year, post 8 is 10.9, post 9 is 8.2 and post 10 is 8. So in other words, the Meadowlands does not have a post position bias, perhaps one of the reasons why it's the number 1 track in terms of handle.
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Meadowlands is still my favorite, but, two nights a week just isn't enough.
I'd like to see a more even distribution of winning posts at Mohawk.
Trotters have almost no chance from several posts. Pacers a little better.
You would think with that long run to the first turn, things would be fairer at Mohawk.
Can anybody explain why they aren't?
I'd like to play them regularly with racing 5 days a week!
Pandy,
Do you know if the stats for Yonkers are any less biased since they eliminated the passing lane?
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06-08-2018, 09:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denny
Meadowlands is still my favorite, but, two nights a week just isn't enough.
I'd like to see a more even distribution of winning posts at Mohawk.
Trotters have almost no chance from several posts. Pacers a little better.
You would think with that long run to the first turn, things would be fairer at Mohawk.
Can anybody explain why they aren't?
I'd like to play them regularly with racing 5 days a week!
Pandy,
Do you know if the stats for Yonkers are any less biased since they eliminated the passing lane?
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As far as post position, I don't think the removal of the passing lane has helped the post position bias much. Moving the finish line back to the old one did help the outside posts a little, because they have more room to leave before they hit the turn, but Yonkers, like all half mile tracks, is dominated by posts 1 through 5. I do think the races are a little better, overall.
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06-11-2018, 11:32 PM
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Mohawk is going to be my main track going forward.
(I'm dropping thoroughbreds for a while)
Thanks for the pp info, everyone.
Couple of questions.
Why does 5 and 6 win so much?
Why don't pacers or trotters win much from the outside?
Why is the 1 not so good for trotters, even though 2 is very good?
Are these just anomalies from too few races?
Or are these the normal for Mohawk?
Thanks
Denny
Last edited by Denny; 06-11-2018 at 11:40 PM.
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06-12-2018, 12:17 PM
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Denny
Mohawk Posts 5 and 6 are also the best for ROI compared to the other post positions.
also:
Garnet Barnsdale always has good info for betting Woodbine-Mohawk at DRF
http://www.drf.com/harness
If I'm reading his meet stats right, those are strong numbers on returns for Apr 12-to date, 330+races
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06-12-2018, 10:14 PM
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I follow Pompano Park during the Winter.
Post 5 wins twice as much as any other post, (other than maybe the 4, but, still considerably more).
The Trackmaster pp's have the 5 at 60+ rating always.
I swear it's because the 5 drafts behind the Hummer before the start.
It's always right behind the car drafting.
The Meadows also starts the 5 directly behind the car and has the highest win percentage.
Can this be happening elsewhere? Perhaps to a lesser extent.
The 5 and 6 start right in line with the start car's tire tracks, which compress the track cushion, at 7/8 and 1-mile tracks. Giving these posts an edge.
How else to explain the winning percentages of these two starting posts at Meadowlands and Mohawk.
It's consistent at every meet they run, year after year.
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07-15-2018, 07:29 AM
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Golden Post still does it!
Get yourself a 5% rebate have at it.....
Code:
Mohawk Apr 2016-Oct 2017
Post 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Races 2631 2631 2631 2631 2630 2625 2553 2334 1903 1364
Wins 256 297 270 318 408 446 295 165 133 73
Win% 10% 11% 10% 12% 16% 17% 12% 7% 7% 5%
ROI 0.66 0.70 0.64 0.80 0.80 0.96 0.88 0.53 0.61 0.52
Mohawk this year
Post 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Races 615 615 615 615 615 614 593 520 410 286
Wins 67 69 75 65 101 122 61 31 24 11
Win% 11% 11% 12% 11% 16% 20% 10% 6% 6% 4%
ROI 0.49 0.69 0.85 0.62 0.76 0.97 0.53 0.34 0.55 0.61
Last night (7/14) ROI 0.93
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