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06-29-2019, 12:24 AM
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Elton John: Good, Bad, Great, or Indifferent?
A long and distinguished career, Elton has never shied from controversy.
His Greatest Hits needed 3 albums.
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06-29-2019, 03:33 PM
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I used to think he was the British Billy Joel (and that's either a vicious insult or great compliment depending on your POV) but Bernie Taupin's songwriting was a cut above that. Not really my cup of tea musically---I can't imagine listening to an Elton album front to back---but hard to deny Elton's talent, showmanship, or 50-year career.
Was lucky, in a sense, to have that one lyricist who stuck by him and could help provide vision for his albums, as I don't think Elton would have handled a separate-but-equal band situation too well.
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06-29-2019, 07:00 PM
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Yellow Brick Road album top 5 all time.
GREAT
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06-30-2019, 01:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
I used to think he was the British Billy Joel (and that's either a vicious insult or great compliment depending on your POV) but Bernie Taupin's songwriting was a cut above that...
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A vicious insult. Never understood the love for Billy Joel, and I really don't understand why his music is considered part of the rock genre. Joel's stuff is pop at best and lounge music at its worst. His music always reminds me of this:
Oh, and I vote Great for Sir Elton.
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06-30-2019, 01:31 PM
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He had a few really good ones. Goddc, able to get great at times.
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06-30-2019, 01:45 PM
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Good....he had a great voice, put on a great show, was very genuine.
But he did not write any of his own stuff. Puts it in a difference class to me in comparison to even say Billy Joel, who did write stuff.
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06-30-2019, 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
But he did not write any of his own stuff. Puts it in a difference class to me in comparison to even say Billy Joel, who did write stuff.
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Huh? Elton wrote the music; he didn't write the lyrics. And I will put up his best again Joel's best any day of the week. Joel is a better piano player, but he is waaaaaaaaaaaay overated as a songwriter. He should stick to writing tavern songs like Piano Man.
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06-30-2019, 04:39 PM
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I think liking him includes liking Bernie T. His early stuff was amazing, he did become somewhat of a caricature of himself and his music is so overplayed but there are many gems:
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06-30-2019, 04:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by headhawg
Huh? Elton wrote the music; he didn't write the lyrics. And I will put up his best again Joel's best any day of the week. Joel is a better piano player, but he is waaaaaaaaaaaay overated as a songwriter. He should stick to writing tavern songs like Piano Man.
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The lyrics are a big part of his music, lol.
Its fine that we disagree.
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06-30-2019, 04:41 PM
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Border Song, voice very gritty at this point in his career:
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06-30-2019, 04:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The lyrics are a big part of his music, lol.
Its fine that we disagree.
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Its called music, not lyrics
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06-30-2019, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
Its called music, not lyrics
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I get it, I do.
Though if you strip away the lyrics musically its really nothing special. I could come up with dozens of non lyrical bands that the music was much better.
I stand by that he was a Good artist in my book.
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06-30-2019, 10:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
I get it, I do.
Though if you strip away the lyrics musically its really nothing special. I could come up with dozens of non lyrical bands that the music was much better...
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Hmmm...really. Name your best Billy Joel tune and I can name 20+ Elton John songs that are better musically and lyrically.
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06-30-2019, 10:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by headhawg
Hmmm...really. Name your best Billy Joel tune and I can name 20+ Elton John songs that are better musically and lyrically.
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Give me the ones where Elton wrote the lyrics and music....or else its like Sinead O Conner to me with Nothing Compares to U. Cant give the man the same credit. Its nothing personal, certainly nothing anti gay or any thing.
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06-30-2019, 11:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Give me the ones where Elton wrote the lyrics and music....or else its like Sinead O Conner to me with Nothing Compares to U. Cant give the man the same credit. Its nothing personal, certainly nothing anti gay or any thing.
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Come on. He did help in the writing a bit.
At the end of the day, he played and sung the songs, and was an incredible performer. There are very few entertainers as good as Elton John.
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