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06-13-2019, 06:35 PM
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Max Security
The horse who crossed the finish line first in the Kentucky Derby only to be disqualified in a controversial decision that shook up the horse racing world earlier this spring will make his next start in New Jersey. Maximum Security, whose wire-to-...
http://www.nj.com/sports/2019/06/max...-expected.html
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06-13-2019, 08:12 PM
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Yea, he's going to run in this soft prep race at Monmouth (they call it the Pegasus) and then in the Haskell.
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06-14-2019, 01:02 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Timed to duck the Belmont.
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06-15-2019, 02:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
Timed to duck the Belmont.
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I thought the Wests made it clear early on after the DQ that they were taking their toys and going home and not running in the other 2 TC races. I don't think you can really say running in the Pegasus is ducking the Belmont.
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06-15-2019, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
Yea, he's going to run in this soft prep race at Monmouth (they call it the Pegasus) and then in the Haskell.
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MOST graded stakes winners find easier spots upon layoff return....This is no different
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06-15-2019, 09:38 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I point that out so that later, when Gary claims what a great sportsman he is, we can remember him dicking the horses who he fouled in the Derby, and especially WOW.
Businessman, sure - sportsman, not in this case.
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06-15-2019, 10:09 AM
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Well this race is lot tougher than 16k claimer.
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06-15-2019, 10:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bob60566
Well this race is lot tougher than 16k claimer.
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Maybe Navarro will have a fresh $16K Claim to compete.
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06-15-2019, 10:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
I point that out so that later, when Gary claims what a great sportsman he is, we can remember him dicking the horses who he fouled in the Derby, and especially WOW.
Businessman, sure - sportsman, not in this case.
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Ducking WoW at Belmont? I’ve heard of some great phantasies but this one has to be right up there. 
I will agree that if the horse was right, he should of ran at Belmont. The same goes for the CH.
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06-15-2019, 11:31 AM
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This horse has confused me from day one.
Why was he entered for 16K as a first time starter to begin with?
IMO, Servis handles too many good horses to not recognize that this one had some talent. Maybe the horse just blossomed quickly (ahem) and he had no idea he would be this good, but still.
Either that was one of the worst gambles in history (that they got away with) or they knew the horse had a bit of talent but there's something wrong with him and they didn't expect him to last long as a race horse. Then he just got really really good and they are trying to hold him together.
I think it's the latter. There's "something" up with this horse. I don't think he's got many races left.
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06-15-2019, 11:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
This horse has confused me from day one.
Why was he entered for 16K as a first time starter to begin with?
IMO, Servis handles too many good horses to not recognize that this one had some talent. Maybe the horse just blossomed quickly (ahem) and he had no idea he would be this good, but still.
Either that was one of the worst gambles in history (that they got away with) or they knew the horse had a bit of talent but there's something wrong with him and they didn't expect him to last long as a race horse. Then he just got really really good and they are trying to hold him together.
I think it's the latter. There's "something" up with this horse. I don't think he's got many races left.
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I think they must have misjudged the horse. It does happen. Wayne Lukas, a good horseman who errs on the side of optimism, had Charismatic in a high priced claimer.
In this case, it was his first start and Servis obviously didn't think he was good enough to win a MSW.
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06-15-2019, 12:42 PM
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Maybe the horse is allergic to the medication it is receiving and they may have to stop.
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06-15-2019, 01:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
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MOST graded stakes winners find easier spots upon layoff return....This is no different
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To be fair 43 days doesn't really constitute a layoff in today's racing. Some trainers might even say he's coming back a bit quick!
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06-15-2019, 01:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
To be fair 43 days doesn't really constitute a layoff in today's racing. Some trainers might even say he's coming back a bit quick!
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To me, that's by far the biggest change in racing. Several decades ago, you confidently could pitch any horse not started in the last three weeks. Most systems, in fact, prescribed a cutt-off of just 17 days, and horses that skipped even a single start in old Waterford's 7-day book rotation almost NEVER won.
No time today to explore reasons for this evolution, but it WOULD make for a compelling thread.
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06-15-2019, 01:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainman
To me, that's by far the biggest change in racing. Several decades ago, you confidently could pitch any horse not started in the last three weeks. Most systems, in fact, prescribed a cutt-off of just 17 days, and horses that skipped even a single start in old Waterford's 7-day book rotation almost NEVER won.
No time today to explore reasons for this evolution, but it WOULD make for a compelling thread.
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I think back to racing in the seventies in the UK Were the stewards would call the trainer in to explain the reversal in form. Can you imagine that today .
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