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Old 11-21-2021, 09:51 PM   #16
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Well, Mr. Michael, AKA Jedi Master,

You got my attention.

Although I could only follow slightly less than nothing, I appreciate your effort.

If you ever want to call and talk about what you know, please let me know. I'll horse trade some great handicapping angles with you.

(Yes, I know your knowledge is more valuable.)

Thanks for sharing.
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Old 11-21-2021, 10:19 PM   #17
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You are all too dumb to argue with. Lamboguy doesn’t know what a vaccine does.
Andy C and Ontherail think a treatment and a vaccine are the same thing.
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can you tell us what the Moderna vaccine does?



it is a good thing Merck also has a new ivermectin-like pill (with the fancy name molnupiravir) to treat the infection as well ... less deaths
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Old 11-21-2021, 10:58 PM   #18
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Well, Mr. Michael, AKA Jedi Master,

You got my attention.

Although I could only follow slightly less than nothing, I appreciate your effort.

If you ever want to call and talk about what you know, please let me know. I'll horse trade some great handicapping angles with you.

(Yes, I know your knowledge is more valuable.)

Thanks for sharing.
I'd be glad to help you out in anyway that I can. Part of the reason I'm here at pace advantage is because I love hanging out at my local OTB. It's basically the same crowd here... and it's fun (even the arguments) I bring this up because I'd gladly help any of those guys out at otb for free. So any health knowledge I have... I'm happy to share with anyone.

The way I see it? helping people with understanding covid or their health.... it's like throwing a brick through big pharma's window.

I'll pm you later in the week or next weekend with general tips and you can ask me anything you want in private. That said, I'm beat up after this weekend at the Big A... those dam turf races are the best.
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Old 11-22-2021, 07:38 AM   #19
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Speak of the Devil -

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines "dramatically increase endothelial inflammatory markers and Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS) risk" as measured by the PULS cardiac test, a study recently published in "Circulation," the most prestigious cardiology journal, finds.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1....suppl_1.10712
This is really good stuff to know, and i totally agree with you on this and thank you deeply for taking the time to post this.

the part that one should know is that these vaccines seem to be safe in the short run and help fight the virus in the short run, but the long run on this could easily be a different story.
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:51 AM   #20
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Why isn't the govt interested in understanding the efficacy of natural immunity versus the covid shot? Or for that matter the relapse rate of the vaccinated at various time period from the last shot? Or for that matter the number of deaths and illnesses that have occurred proximate to the covid shots?

I guess I'm scientifically curious as to why the CDC scientists are not scientifically as curious as me on these questions.

Great articles Michael!!
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Old 11-22-2021, 10:25 AM   #21
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Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines "dramatically increase endothelial inflammatory markers and Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS) risk" as measured by the PULS cardiac test, a study recently published in "Circulation," the most prestigious cardiology journal, finds.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1....suppl_1.10712
That's just great.

I'm at the stage where I'm starting to get buyer's remorse. Hopefully, that's not a long term condition.
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Old 11-22-2021, 10:33 AM   #22
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That's just great.

I'm at the stage where I'm starting to get buyer's remorse. Hopefully, that's not a long term condition.
You knew there was a skunk in the woodpile. You just couldn't locate it because the govt was playing a shell game.
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You knew there was a skunk in the woodpile. You just couldn't locate it because the govt was playing a shell game.
all part of the 'soylent green' new deal to 'save the world'
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Old 11-22-2021, 12:24 PM   #24
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You knew there was a skunk in the woodpile. You just couldn't locate it because the govt was playing a shell game.
I know the government and all it's institutions are corrupt and incompetent.

I know the drug companies are corrupt.

I know the media is basically evil because they are supposed to be protecting us from all this corruption and incompetence but are part of it instead.

I know Fauci is a lying sack of shit.

I've been counting on the thousands of doctors and scientists out there to look at the data in an unbiased fashion, report honestly about what they were seeing and experiencing with patients, and then not being afraid to scream and shout if there were any problems. But perhaps I overestimated both their ability to see the problems and willingness to talk about them openly.

I always have opinions, but I honestly have no idea what's going on, which of course means I know more than the lemmings listening to people in the list above. At least I know I don't know what's going on yet. It's a bit problematical though because I was vaccinated in April and have no idea if I should get a booster, if that will help longer term, and what risks I'd be taking. I'm going to wait awhile. Hopefully more info will come out one way or the other.
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I know the government and all it's institutions are corrupt and incompetent.

I know the drug companies are corrupt.

I know the media is basically evil because they are supposed to be protecting us from all this corruption and incompetence but are part of it instead.

I know Fauci is a lying sack of shit.

I've been counting on the thousands of doctors and scientists out there to look at the data in an unbiased fashion, report honestly about what they were seeing and experiencing with patients, and then not being afraid to scream and shout if there were any problems. But perhaps I overestimated both their ability to see the problems and willingness to talk about them openly.

I always have opinions, but I honestly have no idea what's going on, which of course means I know more than the lemmings listening to people in the list above. At least I know I don't know what's going on yet. It's a bit problematical though because I was vaccinated in April and have no idea if I should get a booster, if that will help longer term, and what risks I'd be taking. I'm going to wait awhile. Hopefully more info will come out one way or the other.
I was fully vaccinated in February so I likely have no immunity. Since February, I've heard glowing first person anecdotal stories of this infusion procedure. I'm going to go that route. The plus is that I'll get better immunity that way too. I'm only 58 so can afford to take more risks than others. I've worn masks exactly twice in the last 3 months. I don't really worry about coming otherwise.
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Why isn't the govt interested in understanding the efficacy of natural immunity versus the covid shot? Or for that matter the relapse rate of the vaccinated at various time period from the last shot? Or for that matter the number of deaths and illnesses that have occurred proximate to the covid shots?

I guess I'm scientifically curious as to why the CDC scientists are not scientifically as curious as me on these questions.

Great articles Michael!!
you do not get kickbacks and free trips from natural immunity
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I was fully vaccinated in February so I likely have no immunity. Since February, I've heard glowing first person anecdotal stories of this infusion procedure. I'm going to go that route. The plus is that I'll get better immunity that way too. I'm only 58 so can afford to take more risks than others. I've worn masks exactly twice in the last 3 months. I don't really worry about coming otherwise.
I'm 62 and in generally good health (very mild high blood pressure). I'm sort in that grey area.

Are you talking about monoclonal antibodies?

I thought they only do that IF you get Covid.

I'm not even sure how that works. I guess you have to go to a doctor/hospital that offers it.
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Old 11-22-2021, 07:25 PM   #29
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I'm 62 and in generally good health (very mild high blood pressure). I'm sort in that grey area.

Are you talking about monoclonal antibodies?

I thought they only do that IF you get Covid.

I'm not even sure how that works. I guess you have to go to a doctor/hospital that offers it.
I thought the same. Here in Texas you must test positive and get a script from your primary care Doc.

I’ve heard it’s no longer free. $7k
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Isopropyl alcohol would do the same thing: coaggulating the protein body of the virus in which its RNA or DNA are contained. Why buy soemthing that is expensive?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7521917/

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Multiple concentrations of EtOH, IPA and SH efficiently inactivated infectious HCoV on hard surfaces, typical of those found in public places. Often no remaining infectious HCoV could be detected.

https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol.../chemical.html

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The most feasible explanation for the antimicrobial action of alcohol is denaturation of proteins. This mechanism is supported by the observation that absolute ethyl alcohol, a dehydrating agent, is less bactericidal than mixtures of alcohol and water because proteins are denatured more quickly in the presence of water 484, 485. Protein denaturation also is consistent with observations that alcohol destroys the dehydrogenases of Escherichia coli 486, and that ethyl alcohol increases the lag phase of Enterobacter aerogenes 487 and that the lag phase effect could be reversed by adding certain amino acids. The bacteriostatic action was believed caused by inhibition of the production of metabolites essential for rapid cell division.
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