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My point is that what went on in California probably isn't an isolated incident. It's just that the stuff in California makes the papers more frequently.
I agree let's keep it on Dutrow.
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Given the state of California racing, I would tend to think it probably is isolated to that state. We should probably have another thread for that though.
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10-12-2011, 06:06 PM
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Two words the newly unemployed Dutrow: Box boy
http://www.pigglywiggly.com/employment-info
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10-12-2011, 06:35 PM
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A little something from the Aga Khan at the RMTC site,
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Aga Khan calls for clear drug testing policies: Racingpost.com 10/04/11
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The Aga Khan, who celebrated 50 years running his family racing and breeding interests in 2010, has called on international regulatory authorities to abide by a common set of raceday drug-testing policies that are "perfectly clear and transparent about what is, or is not tolerated".
Addressing the highest-ranking officials from around the world at the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities annual conference in Paris, he stressed that he vigorously supported drug-free racing and a strong non-tolerance policy.
However, he added: "In the absence of standards which are clearly defined, known to all and equitably enforced, the drug-detection process loses its credibility, and its effectiveness.
"A problem arises when control laboratories replace old research methods by sensitive new equipment or a refined process that identifies substances at much lower levels than before. Indeed, these new levels may have no impact on a horse's performance.
"The problem is vastly compounded when these changes are kept secret from the industry, and trainers and veterinarians are unaware of new standards for judgement."
The Aga Khan, who figured in one of the highest profile drug-testing cases of recent years, involving the disqualified 1989 Oaks winner Aliysa, described how his racing and breeding experience had been punctuated by "some reversals," including his being "exposed to some of the worst science possible from regulatory laboratories that break all the rules of good practice".
Personally I believe the punishment is too harsh , they are making an example
of Dutrow . There is an endless list at the RMTC site of overages and other rulings from all over this business.
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10-12-2011, 06:40 PM
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If Big Brown wouldve won the Belmont...... 
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10-12-2011, 06:40 PM
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A little something from the Aga Khan at the RMTC site,
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Aga Khan calls for clear drug testing policies: Racingpost.com 10/04/11
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The Aga Khan, who celebrated 50 years running his family racing and breeding interests in 2010, has called on international regulatory authorities to abide by a common set of raceday drug-testing policies that are "perfectly clear and transparent about what is, or is not tolerated".
Addressing the highest-ranking officials from around the world at the International Federation of Horseracing Authorities annual conference in Paris, he stressed that he vigorously supported drug-free racing and a strong non-tolerance policy.
However, he added: "In the absence of standards which are clearly defined, known to all and equitably enforced, the drug-detection process loses its credibility, and its effectiveness.
"A problem arises when control laboratories replace old research methods by sensitive new equipment or a refined process that identifies substances at much lower levels than before. Indeed, these new levels may have no impact on a horse's performance.
"The problem is vastly compounded when these changes are kept secret from the industry, and trainers and veterinarians are unaware of new standards for judgement."
The Aga Khan, who figured in one of the highest profile drug-testing cases of recent years, involving the disqualified 1989 Oaks winner Aliysa, described how his racing and breeding experience had been punctuated by "some reversals," including his being "exposed to some of the worst science possible from regulatory laboratories that break all the rules of good practice".
Personally I believe the punishment is too harsh , they are making an example
of Dutrow . There is an endless list at the RMTC site of overages and other rulings from all over this business.
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If rubbing folks the wrong way had anything to do with it, we arrive at the discretion of ruling parties here....
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10-12-2011, 06:45 PM
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There is no doubt in my mind about that Hanover.
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10-12-2011, 07:01 PM
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Should have been lifetime.
FAR too many incidents to be "coincidence."
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10-12-2011, 07:28 PM
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Should have been lifetime.
FAR too many incidents to be "coincidence."
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Rest assured, not a one incident was "coincidence" "I wasn't even in the State", "I would never do that" is the biggest load of them all for me...If he wasn't so arrogant and pompous, I say, according to how things roll these days, he's good for 5-10 more infractions before its time...lol.
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10-12-2011, 07:46 PM
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Finally a victory for the horse population and the industry!
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10-12-2011, 08:14 PM
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If Big Brown wouldve won the Belmont...... |
Some of his babies were fetching some good money at the Keeneland sale.Makes you wonder if he was really good or more Barry Bonds good.I don't know but his Kentucky Derby was extraordinary.
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10-12-2011, 08:20 PM
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Andy's a BIT smarter than brother...gotta be a grade 3 or better...you'd better have THAT horse covered...
Would love to SEE HIS %'s in grade 3 or better this year...unlike MOST trainer's....would bet it's HIGHER than normal
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10-12-2011, 08:24 PM
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As someone that's interested in the welfare of the horses, sport, owners, other trainers etc... I am happy about this. However, I made money betting on him every year. So this reminds of a scene from the movie Wall St.
I sort of feel like I am watching my ex wife drive off a cliff........in my new Mazaradi.
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10-12-2011, 09:07 PM
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As someone that's interested in the welfare of the horses, sport, owners, other trainers etc... I am happy about this. However, I made money betting on him every year. So this reminds of a scene from the movie Wall St.
I sort of feel like I am watching my ex wife drive off a cliff........in my new Mazaradi.
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I have to agree with you, and being this is a handicapping website, I hate to see him go. I am sure my personal ROI will suffer without him in the game.
I am sure also that his brothers and Rudy Rodriguez will take up the slack, if they haven't already. That is why it is pointless to kick these guys out, they just move there training to a place like Fairhill or Palm Beach (Pletcher a couple years ago), and run the horses in a program trainers name.
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10-12-2011, 09:44 PM
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They were quoted as saying that if they "get a hint of 2nd trainer activity, they will not take it lightly". Just what that entails is anyones guess. I suspect along the lines of Life at Ten rulings 
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10-12-2011, 09:53 PM
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a Dutrow fan and supporter here. I can only go by the article, but the opiod overage and the syringes do sound like serious infractions. Trying my best to have some faith in the system that this is a fair shake. If it were up to me, drugs would be at a minimum and relatively equal level for all horses.
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