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Old 02-25-2008, 08:52 PM   #76
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I nominate this post as post of the week. Wow!
Sure was , so which are you Aryan Nation or Black Seperatist Fanatic?


"long term plan" - by who exactly?

"Mutt worker race" ..... still in this day and age it never ends.

The whole thing reads like something posted by a racist tin-foil-hat-tri-lateral commission type.

Very sad - it really is.

No sane person could read it without pity for the poster.

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Old 03-14-2008, 03:02 AM   #77
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Another terrible death at the hands of an illegal

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337719,00.html

Illegal Immigrant Worker Sentenced in Slaying of Actress Adrienne Shelly
Thursday, March 13, 2008

NEW YORK — A construction worker who admitted strangling an actress and then hanging her body to make it look like a suicide was sentenced to 25 years in prison on Thursday.

Diego Pillco, a 20-year-old illegal immigrant from Ecuador, had pleaded guilty in February to first-degree manslaughter in exchange for the sentence. He had faced 25 years to life in prison if he had been convicted at trial.

Pillco, who was doing interior renovations in the Manhattan building where Adrienne Shelly had an apartment she used as an office, admitted he killed the "Factotum" actress after she found him trying to steal from her purse. He said he then hanged Shelly to make her death look like a suicide.

"I want to say to the family I didn't go out with the intention of hurting anyone," Pillco said just before the state trial judge imposed the sentence. "I have suffered because I know what I have done." Shelly's husband, Andy Ostroy, told Pillco he was "nothing more than a cold-blooded killer" and "a murderous beast" who intended to rob, rape and then silence an "innocent," "beautiful, loving woman."

Ostroy repeated Pillco's account of the incident to police, saying, "You tied her up and hung her the way you strung up pigs back home in Ecuador. What kind of animal are you?"

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Old 03-14-2008, 11:44 AM   #78
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So if he had been legal and employed by the same Contractor, he would not have killed or would the headlines would now have been "Another terrible death at the hands of a legal"?

This is getting towards the reverse of your argument that it is not the gun that kills, it is the person. It is still the person. If the illegal alien was not there, no one would have died. If the gun is not there no one gets shot. But the alien was there, without a gun, illegally employed and making a living in New York and who is to blame for all that?
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The point is that he had no business being here in the first place. Had he been deported as he should have been, he would not have been able to kill anyone here. The gun didn't do anything - the guy aimed the gun and fired it. That is not a hard concept to grasp.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:13 PM   #80
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25 Americans a day are killed by Illeg. Aliens.

25x365=9125 Americans killed by Illegals each year. This comes from Congressman King's office.

Let's say he is half right. It is still more than all of our troops that have been killed in Iraq over five years. I don't see the left wing members of this board starting threads screaming about these deaths?

Make whatever excuse you want. These individuals couldn't kill anybody if they weren't here, Illegally. The responsibility for some of these examples are absolutely laid at the feet of our government. Many are the responsibility of the people who hire these individuals.

Do these lives not matter? They do and it is a disgrace that this is ignored.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:23 PM   #81
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This is getting towards the reverse of your argument that it is not the gun that kills, it is the person. It is still the person. If the illegal alien was not there, no one would have died. If the gun is not there no one gets shot. But the alien was there, without a gun, illegally employed and making a living in New York and who is to blame for all that?
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No, you have both missed it completley, again.
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Old 03-14-2008, 04:57 PM   #83
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So if he had been legal and employed by the same Contractor, he would not have killed or would the headlines would now have been "Another terrible death at the hands of a legal"?

e gun that kills, it is the person. It is still the person. If the illegal alien was not there, no one would have died. If the gun is not there no one gets shot. But the alien was there, without a gun, illegally employed and making a living in New York and who is to blame for all that?
waaaaa?
Or, daaaaaaaaaa
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Old 03-14-2008, 09:15 PM   #84
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Another look with facts checked.......


http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/13/im...irrationality/

"In early page in the poll, headlined "Biggest Concerns About Illegal Immigration," featured the public responses to a set of concerns that were identified by the pollsters as the most common issues raised in focus groups, letting the poll respondents say what their "one or two biggest concerns about illegal immigration today" might be. They ran thus:

Immigrants receiving free public services such as health care (48%)

Immigrants not paying taxes (35%)

Takes jobs from Americans and lowers wages (20%)

Too many immigrants aren't learning English (20%)

Weakens our security against terrorism (18%)

Causing crime problems in many communities (17%)

If you look down that list, something stands out: Each item reflects a fear based either on outright false information or on gross distortions from a highly selective set of facts.

Readers of our earlier discussions of the immigration debate will already be familiar with the groundlessness of most of these concerns, but it's still worthwhile going through them, and getting the requisite reality checks, so we can see just how far astray from anything rational we're wandering in this debate."



Some excerpts among many....

http://rand.org/news/press.06/11.14.html

Just a small fraction of America's health care spending is used to provide publicly supported care to the nation's undocumented immigrants, according to a RAND Corporation study issued today.

Overall, immigrants to the United States use relatively few health services, primarily because they are generally healthier than their American-born counterparts, according to the study by the nonprofit research organization.

The report – which appears in the November edition of the journal Health Affairs – estimates that in the United States about $1.1 billion in federal, state and local government funds are spent annually on health care for undocumented immigrants aged 18 to 64. That amounts to an average of $11 in taxes for each U.S. household.

In contrast, a total of $88 billion in government funds were spent on health care for all non-elderly adults in 2000.



http://www.ailf.org/ipc/factchecks/C...ck10-16-07.pdf

Although the undocumented immigrant population doubled to about 12 million from 1994 to 2005, the violent crime rate in the United States declined by 34.2% and the property crime rate fell by 26.4%.2 This decline in crime rates was not just national, it also occurred in border cities and other cities with large immigrant populations—such as San Diego, El Paso, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Miami.

http://www.ailf.org/ipc/special_report/sr_022107.pdf

Crime Rates Have Declined as Immigration Has Increased:

Even as the undocumented population has doubled to 12 million since 1994, the violent crime rate in the United States has declined 34.2 percent and the property crime rate has fallen 26.4 percent.

Cities with large immigrant populations such as Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and Miami also have experienced declining crime rates during this period.

Immigrants Have Lower Incarceration Rates than Natives:

Among men age 18-39 (who comprise the vast majority of the prison population), the 3.5 percent incarceration rate of the native-born in 2000 was 5 times higher than the 0.7 percent incarceration rate of the foreign-born.

The foreign-born incarceration rate in 2000 was nearly two-and-a-half times less than the 1.7 percent rate for nativeborn non-Hispanic white men and almost 17 times less than the 11.6 percent rate for native-born black men.

Native-born Hispanic men were nearly 7 times more likely to be in prison than foreign-born Hispanic men in 2000, while the incarceration rate of native-born non-Hispanic white men was almost 3 times higher than that of foreign-born white men.

Foreign-born Mexicans had an incarceration rate of only 0.7 percent in 2000—more than 8 times lower than the 5.9 percent rate of native-born males of Mexican descent.

Foreign-born Salvadoran and Guatemalan men had an incarceration rate of 0.5 percent, compared to 3.0 percent of native-born males of Salvadoran and Guatemalan descent.

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Old 03-14-2008, 09:39 PM   #85
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Immigrants to the United States use relatively few health services, primarily because they are generally healthier than their American-born counterparts


Are we talkin' immigrants or illegal Mexicans? The data changes dramatically if we dial in on the latter.

Nice try though.
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Are we talkin' immigrants or illegal Mexicans? The data changes dramatically if we dial in on the latter.

Nice try though.
http://rand.org/news/press.06/11.14.html

“Our findings show a relatively small amount of tax money is spent on health services provided to undocumented immigrants,” said James P. Smith, the RAND chair in Labor Market and Demographic Studies and an author of the report. “Costs will be much higher for educating the children of undocumented immigrants, so that's where debate should center, not on these relatively small health care costs.”

"Foreign-born people in the LAFANS survey reported fewer health problems, an advantage that was especially pronounced among the undocumented. For example, while 38 percent of the native-born reported having a chronic health condition, only 27 percent of the foreign-born and 19 percent of the undocumented did so."


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Old 03-14-2008, 10:06 PM   #87
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You're out of your league here fella. The data I'd haul out would render your usual cherry picking of information useless.

How do you only find data that fits your view everytime?
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Anecdotal data?

So far that is what started this thread.
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Anecdotal data?

So far that is what started this thread.
Those people are dead aren't they? I don't call that anedoctal. Just more of your bullshit to advance your agenda. 12 million deported means 6-8 million less votes for Dems.

I smell another Perch..............
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Old 03-15-2008, 03:08 AM   #90
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25 Americans a day are killed by Illeg. Aliens.

25x365=9125 Americans killed by Illegals each year. This comes from Congressman King's office.

Let's say he is half right. It is still more than all of our troops that have been killed in Iraq over five years. I don't see the left wing members of this board starting threads screaming about these deaths?
Oh shit. Another common sense post from JustRalph....why am I not shocked?
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