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09-22-2019, 02:52 PM
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GARY
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,339
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Improbable
For those who believe this game is ruled by trainers-Jockeys and /or speed or pace figures , think about the hazards thanks can occur at the gate ,minutes or seconds before the the race starts.
All of the work in getting a horse ready for a race, which includes
trainer, vet(s), transportation and entry fees impact not only the owner, but the
horse and general public wagering on horses and placing various exotic bets
Watching the debacle at the gate seconds before the gate opened for the
PA Derby was a drama, both to the horse,jockey(s) and gate crew.
Hopefully, Improbable will prove his abilities in the near future.
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09-22-2019, 02:58 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,208
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I thought Improbable ran well despite the bad break. But he's always broken a bit slower, so I wonder if gate issues are just part of the deal in betting him.
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09-22-2019, 03:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by letswastemoney
I thought Improbable ran well despite the bad break. But he's always broken a bit slower, so I wonder if gate issues are just part of the deal in betting him.
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The issue with that he has never won a race when passing horses in the stretch. Not a good deal if you break poorly.
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09-22-2019, 07:05 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The issue with that he has never won a race when passing horses in the stretch. Not a good deal if you break poorly.
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He did in his debut.
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09-22-2019, 07:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 710
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The issue with that he has never won a race when passing horses in the stretch. Not a good deal if you break poorly.
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He did in the Cash Call Futurity.
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09-22-2019, 07:52 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpCat
He did in the Cash Call Futurity.
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That one is a close call, he was right with the leaders as they entered the stretch.
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09-22-2019, 08:10 PM
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Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: near Philadelphia
Posts: 4,560
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I was at Parx and from the minute Improbable walked into paddock he looked dull. Just saying.
And he ran dull the entire race, he seemed to be jogging along in an open gallop and not running a bit.
The bad start is a legit excuse but I don't think it really mattered at all with Improbable.
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09-22-2019, 08:17 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless
I was at Parx and from the minute Improbable walked into paddock he looked dull. Just saying.
And he ran dull the entire race, he seemed to be jogging along in an open gallop and not running a bit.
The bad start is a legit excuse but I don't think it really mattered at all with Improbable.
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think you are right. Mike Smith said if he would have just run he would have won, even w/the bad break
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09-22-2019, 08:28 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
That one is a close call, he was right with the leaders as they entered the stretch.
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Yea I am talking about being 3-4 lengths behind, against like class foes, that he faced this year. Trips like had in most of his races this year.
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09-23-2019, 12:43 AM
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,222
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He ran way too bad to blame it on the break.
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09-23-2019, 04:58 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless
I was at Parx and from the minute Improbable walked into paddock he looked dull. Just saying.
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Very odd. I have seen a lot of baffert horses up close and personal, and they never look "dull". Feed change?
Combine this with announcement that both Game Winner and Marley's Freedom, who were both pointed to the BC, are being turned out for rest of the year.
strange.
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09-23-2019, 08:25 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clicknow
Very odd. I have seen a lot of baffert horses up close and personal, and they never look "dull". Feed change?
Combine this with announcement that both Game Winner and Marley's Freedom, who were both pointed to the BC, are being turned out for rest of the year.
strange.
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Both of those horses have had issues for months...a more useful insinuation would be if say McKinzie suddenly was turned out.
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09-23-2019, 12:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,614
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I wonder if he's using the same vet as before? 
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09-23-2019, 02:09 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,239
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
The issue with that he has never won a race when passing horses in the stretch. Not a good deal if you break poorly.
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As a three year old he's not shown the "alpha" quality he did last year and he does not seem to "want to win."
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09-23-2019, 05:19 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,887
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Aptly named horse.
Unlikely he will ever show anything of any substance.
He looks more like a spectator than a participant in his races lately.
I would not be surprises to see his rider carrying a travel mug instead of a whip next race!
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