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10-22-2015, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by highnote
The one thing I see is Jeb making a big push as the primaries get closer.
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I thought a Clinton/Bush matchup was a foregone conclusion months ago, but Jeb has proven to be a far more anemic candidate than most anyone would have predicted..
But I agree, there's still likely to be a push. People will ultimately feel most comfortable with what's familiar and mainstream.
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10-22-2015, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Trump winning the nomination would be a gift for democrats and a nightmare for republicans. if you're a republican wanting to win the White House how is this good news?
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Trump will not get support from the party for the very reasons you cite. But he and his ego see support out there. My guess is he will run as an independent, (there is already much talk) and still wind up being a "gift for democrats and a nightmare for republicans.
Even Bernie could win the general now 
Face it, the repugs are only re-arranging the deck chairs on their sinking demographically aging Titanic party
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10-22-2015, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Trump will not get support from the party for the very reasons you cite. But he and his ego see support out there. My guess is he will run as an independent, (there is already much talk) and still wind up being a "gift for democrats and a nightmare for republicans.
Even Bernie could win the general now
Face it, the repugs are only re-arranging the deck chairs on their sinking demographically aging Titanic party |
True, your party has done a phenomenal job at creating govt dependence over the past 50 years. You should be proud.
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10-22-2015, 01:18 PM
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PA Steward
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Trump winning the nomination would be a gift for democrats and a nightmare for republicans. if you're a republican wanting to win the White House how is this good news?
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I'm not all too concerned with gifting the dems or not or creating nightmares for republicans.
I don't really identify with republicans any longer, and I never identified with dems, so it won't bother me all that much.
Currently, I seem to enjoy chaos more than anything else, and Trump should provide this nicely.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 10-22-2015 at 01:19 PM.
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10-22-2015, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
True, your party has done a phenomenal job at creating govt dependence over the past 50 years. You should be proud.
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I am but obviously for other reasons which are a waste of time to post here. I was merely observing the political mechanics at play. There is a ideological division that will never be mended, and certainly not here.
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10-22-2015, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Currently, I seem to enjoy chaos more than anything else, and Trump should provide this nicely.
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The chaos will be one sided. It is a rare event when a termed out president is succeeded by his party's nominee. Republicans seem hellbent on making this happen. I hope they sober up soon.
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10-22-2015, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
The chaos will be one sided. It is a rare event when a termed out president is succeeded by his party's nominee. Republicans seem hellbent on making this happen. I hope they sober up soon.
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You think the Republican establishment wants Trump?
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10-22-2015, 01:35 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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I take umbrage with your assertion that the republicans are drunk.
They are not drunk, they are stupid.
Please apologize to the drunks out there who you just insulted! 
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10-22-2015, 01:37 PM
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there are actually intelligent people out there who think that Trump somehow doesn't "measure up" to the bar set for White House entry...
This after two terms of Bush and Obama.
Fascinating stuff.
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10-22-2015, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hcap
Trump will not get support from the party for the very reasons you cite. But he and his ego see support out there. My guess is he will run as an independent, (there is already much talk) and still wind up being a "gift for democrats and a nightmare for republicans.
Even Bernie could win the general now
Face it, the repugs are only re-arranging the deck chairs on their sinking demographically aging Titanic party |
The Democrats will stop at nothing to go all the way and sink the Republicans in this area, even if it means eliminating a prosperous nation once and for all. Any party that puts themselves ahead of the people is despicable. The Democrats would love to see as many non white, non Christian, non English speaking, non educated, non skilled, anti American people come into this country simply so they can get their votes.
The Democrats always say that America was founded on immigration. True, but it was always from Europe, people who already had something in common with the people already here. So keep on destroying the nation for personal, selfish gain. There is always Australia and New Zealand someday for the rest of us to find refuge.
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10-22-2015, 01:48 PM
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You think the Republican establishment wants Trump? |
I didn't use the word 'establishment'.
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10-22-2015, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
True, your party has done a phenomenal job at creating govt dependence over the past 50 years. You should be proud.
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That sounds bad, for sure. But, if you consider that people are living longer now (the 80+ age segment is the fastest growing age segment), and the 45+ age segment now accounts for over 1/3 of the US population, and the fact that the "disabled" segment is growing in large part due to increasing age (in which disabled vets from the various wars and conflicts since WWII have become unable to work at some point since that war), this "govt dependence" doesn't appear so abnormal. I'm not a Democrat so don't even try to put that label on my response. I have no party affiliations at all, because I think the "political party" system is one of the worst things that could have ever happened.
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10-22-2015, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there are actually intelligent people out there who think that Trump somehow doesn't "measure up" to the bar set for White House entry...
This after two terms of Bush and Obama.
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He lacks seriousness. Surely you must see that? I thought GWB was a horrible foreign-policy president, but I think he faced the job with seriousness. I believe Obama is a horrible president, but I think he faces the job with seriousness.
On a side note, Ben Carson's favorables are off the charts, according to a poll released today. Trump not so much. I don't see Carson winning, but he's radically better than Trump.
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10-22-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by raybo
That sounds bad, for sure. But, if you consider that people are living longer now (the 80+ age segment is the fastest growing age segment), and the 45+ age segment now accounts for over 1/3 of the US population, and the fact that the "disabled" segment is growing in large part due to increasing age (in which disabled vets from the various wars and conflicts since WWII have become unable to work at some point since that war), this "govt dependence" doesn't appear so abnormal. I'm not a Democrat so don't even try to put that label on my response. I have no party affiliations at all, because I think the "political party" system is one of the worst things that could have ever happened.
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I didn't think you were a Dem or a Rep. I think someone else placed that label on you. I have no opinion.
I fully support helping the truly disabled, especially vets. However, if you plot Social Security Disability claims against the unemployment rate over the past 10 years, you'll find that oddly enough a whole bunch of people became "disabled" during the economic downturn. This phenomena has been chronicled by the Times and WSJ. I suspect half the people enrolled in SSDI over the past 10 years don't belong.
I was referencing food stamp dependence. Medicaid dependence. Section 8 dependence. CHIP dependence. But you can throw in Medicare and Social Security - as many in those programs, especially Medicare, take out much more than they ever put in.
All of this favors Dems.
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10-22-2015, 02:49 PM
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PA Steward
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Why do you say he lacks seriousness? Is he campaigning from his plush offices at Trump Tower? Is he not out on the campaign trail like all the others?
What exactly about him comes across to you as not being serious?
Why do you think he's doing all of this? Why not just stick to his TV shows and casinos and real estate projects? It's not like nobody knew his name already.
His brand and his ego were MUCH BETTER OFF not running for President, so please don't feed me the line that he's doing this because he has this massive ego or that this is all just some publicity stunt. If anything, the publicity he's garnered by running has HURT his business, not helped it...
So how exactly does he come off as not serious? How is he markedly less serious than any of the other candidates?
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