ThoroGraph...

[cj]

Originally Posted by 5thstreetpicks

If you don't like to pay $25 for TG you can try this one they are very good numbers and dont cost alot $12 and NO am not promoting I have nothing to do with it

It is promoting so it has to go, imo. If I'm wrong PA can put it back.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Bennie

Off tracks, off turf, and layoffs might influence todays prospects and effect prices, but here goes.

Aqueduct-
Race 3) looking at the #3
Race 5) #12 will be my play
Race 6) #1a would be the play but concerned about the repeated vet scr.
Race 7) #2 would be the play but coming off long layoff. #2/3,6 ex. #3w/p

Gulfstream-don't usually play 2yr. but might make a couple small plays.
Race 1) #4 could be live (going to box with #3)
Race 4) small play on the #2
Race 5) #2 is the key

Mahoning-
Race 4) #4 is the key but might end up very short.
Race 7) looks like between the #1 and#6

Again, I don't see a lot of value in any one race, so I'll look to horizontals. Looks like lots of action tomorrow based on all the tracks running. Maybe we can find a couple of gems or favorites to fade.

I do appreciate your comments in this thread. Thanks

I have never used TG or the Sheets. Very happy with my own handicapping, however, I would just the same like to know how they work/what they mean, and would consider it a potentially useful luxury to have access to them.

Anything that is used, whether you personally use it or not, is nice to know how it works, what it loves, and how it views particular horses, what you feel it misses/overlooks, what you can learn from it, etc...

For example, I can view a speed figure in context of the PPs and know if it's considered 'fast' and whether I fundamentally agree.

[Saratoga]

Originally Posted by 5thstreetpicks

If you don't like to pay $25 for TG you can try this one they are very good numbers and dont cost alot $12 and NO am not promoting I have nothing to do with it

Jim....

Been playing the ponies for 40+ years ....

If I need to buy picks ...then I would need to be hung by the neck

[Saratoga]

Originally Posted by Saratoga

Jim....

Been playing the ponies for 40+ years ....

If I need to buy picks ...then I would need to be hung by the neck

I really wanted to say something else instead of "neck"

[Bennie]

I have never paid for thorograph before. I only play around with it when its free this time of year.
That being said, going to be driving around tomorrow so thought I would post what I have. Hopefully, there won't be too many scratches. I'll also include some of my thoughts as to other horses I would look to use based on what I see in my numbers. Thorograph horses listed first.

Gulf-
Race1) #5
Race7) #7
Race 10) #6 (I would use with 9,5,2)

Laurel-
Race 4) 2,10
Race 8) 3,5 could be some value here

Aqueduct-
Race 2) #3 (TG says with #1, I say #4)
Race 6) #8
Race 7) #4 (TG says with #8, I say #9)

Fairgrounds-
Race 2) #3 and #2 (I say #1 and #4 could win. I would pass)
Race 3) #10 (TG says with #3. I agree but also use the #1)
Race 4) #7 ( I would use with #2 and #8)
Race 5) #5 ( I would use with #3 and #10)
Race 8) #7 ( I would use with # 3 and #5)

Oaklawn-
Race 3) #2 value play ( I like with the #10)
Race 5) #2 and #10-value (I also like the #5)
Race 6) #2 (distance concern on the #2 and would use with #4 and #9)
Race 8) #11 value play
Race 9) #9 (TG says with the #7. I like with the#12)
Race 10) #4

Santa Anita-
Race 2) #1
Race 3) #1
Race 6) #3 ( only 2 races but ran nice number, does he repeat? If you like him use with #1,#5 and #7. If not, pass)

Remember, it's not a stand alone way of handicapping. Just another tool in the shed. Good luck.

[classhandicapper]

If you are interested in Thorograph but want to see more, there's a "Redboard Room" at the site where you can get the sheets for a couple of cards for free the day after the race. So you can at least look at what the figures said about a race after the fact. I use that service liberally to check why certain horses may have gotten bet less or more than I thought or to just see how various figure services differed on some of the big races.

[Bennie]

Going to visit family today, but will post a few.

Aqueduct-
Race 6) #1 (with 3,4)
Race 8) #2,4,7 are top if you trust Fingerlake shippers. #6 could move forward and hit the board.

Gulfstream-
Race 1) #6 had race, might use with Pletcher horses
Race 3) #3 (but off layoff)
Race 4) #2 (would use with #8)
Race 5)#3,6,2 are top
Race 11) #9 could move forward but wouldn't take short price

Laurel-
Race 4) #5 and #3 are top

Tampa-
Race 9) #10 (would use with #1 and #2)

Fairgrounds-
Race 2) #5,#6 top (would also use #3)
Race 3) #5 (would use with #1 and #12)
Race 6) #8 and #3
Race 7) #4 top ( #7 common race with #4, #10 move forward, #5 common race with #10 if scratches)
Race 10) #6 could move forward

Santa Anita-
Race 3) #5 and #6 top

Oaklawn- lots of horses off layoffs, lots of prices yesterday, play at your own risk
Race 6) #9 ( off long layoff)
Race 8) #4 and #5 ( #4 off layoff)

Good luck today.

[djm1959]

pleasant person you are,, mind your bizness stranger that dont know me

[cj]

Originally Posted by djm1959

pleasant person you are,, mind your bizness stranger that dont know me

I'm very pleasant. I'm a moderator here and try to keep threads on track. Sorry to have offended. Happy New Year!

[Bennie]

Last day of free Thorograph, lets see if we can find some winners.

Gulfstream-
Race 2) #9 best (#7 could move forward and hit the board underneath)
Race 4) #2 (#1 could move forward, I show 7,8 could hit the board)

Laurel-
Race 1) #2 and #7 ( I like #3)
Race 7) #2 and #4
Race 8) #1 (with #5)
Race 9) #3 is fastest but off 548 days?

Aqueduct-
Race 2) #4 ( I like #3)
Race 4) #7 off 243 days ?
Race 7) #5 first at distance? ( #1a or #7)
Race 8) #7consistant numbers, #1 move forward, #5 3yr could move forward
Race 9) #9 ( #6 back dirt numbers fit, I like the #3)


Oaklawn- all 2yr old races. I would pass.
Race 8)#8 is fastest but first time route and short price. (#6 and #9 might be others)

Tampa-
Race 9) all very close with no stand out but #4 and #1, lightly race 3yrs. If either move forward they could win.

Santa Anita-
Race 4) #3 is fastest but only ran one time
Race 5) #4 ( would also use #6)
Race 7) #4 (#7 is live, I also like the #3. The #1 is live if takes to first time turf)
Race 8)#5 but first time route (I would also look at the #1 and #4)




Not a lot of standouts but a lot with questions. Good luck today.

[Saratoga]

Originally Posted by Bennie

Last day of free Thorograph, lets see if we can find some winners.

Gulfstream-
Race 2) #9 best (#7 could move forward and hit the board underneath)
Race 4) #2 (#1 could move forward, I show 7,8 could hit the board)

Laurel-
Race 1) #2 and #7 ( I like #3)
Race 7) #2 and #4
Race 8) #1 (with #5)
Race 9) #3 is fastest but off 548 days?

Aqueduct-
Race 2) #4 ( I like #3)
Race 4) #7 off 243 days ?
Race 7) #5 first at distance? ( #1a or #7)
Race 8) #7consistant numbers, #1 move forward, #5 3yr could move forward
Race 9) #9 ( #6 back dirt numbers fit, I like the #3)


Oaklawn- all 2yr old races. I would pass.
Race 8)#8 is fastest but first time route and short price. (#6 and #9 might be others)

Tampa-
Race 9) all very close with no stand out but #4 and #1, lightly race 3yrs. If either move forward they could win.

Santa Anita-
Race 4) #3 is fastest but only ran one time
Race 5) #4 ( would also use #6)
Race 7) #4 (#7 is live, I also like the #3. The #1 is live if takes to first time turf)
Race 8)#5 but first time route (I would also look at the #1 and #4)




Not a lot of standouts but a lot with questions. Good luck today.

Thxs Bennie for all your effort

If you can give quick summary of the whole product .....would appreciate it...

[djm1959]

all good !!

happy new year to you too