Are you a HANA member

[chickenhead]

Please -- everyone that visits this thread vote yes or no.

If you are already a member, please vote yes -- this helps give HANA an idea on how many members frequent this part of the forum regularly.

If you are not a HANA member, but would like to become one and just haven't gotten around to it, please visit here and become one, it literally takes only a few seconds. Then you can come back to this thread and vote yes.

If you voted no, and don't plan on becoming a HANA member right now -- please let us know why not. Since you know about HANA, and you're visiting the HANA forum, it's obvious you are interested, and you probably care about the things HANA cares about. It's important for HANA to know what they're not doing well enough to get your support. If you'd rather not talk about it publicly, please feel free to send me (or any of the other HANA folks.) a pm or email.

It's important we know these kinds of things, so really folks, please don't be shy.

Thanks All

[kenwoodallpromos]

I hope HANA is at the NorCa fairs signing up new fans!
All tracks should work to sign up HANA players as that gives a direct connection to racing, especially if they get an ID card.

[Jeff P]

I voted yes. <G>


-jp

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[jonnielu]

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

You greet the newcomer with a lot of negativity about how F'd up the game is because of the ignorance of management, and beckon him/her to join you in a snivelfest that is supposed to change it.

When all they want to do is sip a cold bear, do a little gaming, and chat up members of the opposite sex. If you could help them do that for a while, they might develop an interest in the sport while they are at it. There are many ways of doing that, telling the newcomer that he can never win because the take-out is too high, and all of the horses are on dope, is not one of them.

jdl

[BillW]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

You greet the newcomer with a lot of negativity about how F'd up the game is because of the ignorance of management, and beckon him/her to join you in a snivelfest that is supposed to change it.

When all they want to do is sip a cold bear, do a little gaming, and chat up members of the opposite sex. If you could help them do that for a while, they might develop an interest in the sport while they are at it. There are many ways of doing that, telling the newcomer that he can never win because the take-out is too high, and all of the horses are on dope, is not one of them.

jdl

So you believe a broadminded un-industry like approach would to act as the shill and cover up all that is wrong with racing? Hmmm, we never thought of that!

[DanG]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

Interesting take;

I could be very wrong but the “H” the acronym HANA insinuates “horseplayer” as in currently participating. At least that how I view the organization and not necessarily a recruiting tool for newcomers. Not that HANA would oppose everyone and their mother getting involved, but I assume it’s not within HANA’s scope to market our sport for the industry.

An association of horseplayers / by horseplayers...for horseplayers.

[Cangamble]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

You greet the newcomer with a lot of negativity about how F'd up the game is because of the ignorance of management, and beckon him/her to join you in a snivelfest that is supposed to change it.

When all they want to do is sip a cold bear, do a little gaming, and chat up members of the opposite sex. If you could help them do that for a while, they might develop an interest in the sport while they are at it. There are many ways of doing that, telling the newcomer that he can never win because the take-out is too high, and all of the horses are on dope, is not one of them.

jdl

We want more horseplayers, and we also know that they only way to get a significant amount of new horseplayers is for the industry to change its ways.

Your approach hasn't worked. It is equal to the track's approach.

You are stuck in 1945 Jonnielu, and to be honest, I really think you are the most out of touch poster on PA IMO.

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by Cangamble

We want more horseplayers, and we also know that they only way to get a significant amount of new horseplayers is for the industry to change its ways.

Your approach hasn't worked. It is equal to the track's approach.

You are stuck in 1945 Jonnielu, and to be honest, I really think you are the most out of touch poster on PA IMO.

Of course, but I'm only out of touch with you and your negative sniveling. Thank God.

jdl

[cj]

jl not a member? What a ringing endorsement for the group!

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by DanG

Interesting take;

I could be very wrong but the “H” the acronym HANA insinuates “horseplayer” as in currently participating. At least that how I view the organization and not necessarily a recruiting tool for newcomers. Not that HANA would oppose everyone and their mother getting involved, but I assume it’s not within HANA’s scope to market our sport for the industry.

An association of horseplayers / by horseplayers...for horseplayers.

Oh, I'm sorry, with that in mind, I'd have other reasons for not joining. I disagree that your difficulties with the sport are caused by take out, drugs, or track surfaces. True, management is not doing as well as they could, but when has management ever done so?

Your expectations are a bit unrealistic when you expect racetrack management to be expert at marketing something that has never needed much marketing.

It is natural for them to keep their heads up their rectums for as long as people will still show up.

Your negative message may be intended only for horseplayers, but it reaches many others. A horse race is much more honest then a Blackjack game at a casino, but people don't know that.

jdl

[CincyHorseplayer]

Jonielu I think you are part of that old generation of horseplayers that are bitter,sore losers and when your kind dies off the game will be for the better.Might sound a little harsh but it's true IMO.I don't know why some of you old cranks even bother to show up at the track.That hatred and contempt is pure posion for drawing a new audience.

[Indulto]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

You greet the newcomer with a lot of negativity about how F'd up the game is because of the ignorance of management, and beckon him/her to join you in a snivelfest that is supposed to change it.

When all they want to do is sip a cold bear, do a little gaming, and chat up members of the opposite sex. If you could help them do that for a while, they might develop an interest in the sport while they are at it. There are many ways of doing that, telling the newcomer that he can never win because the take-out is too high, and all of the horses are on dope, is not one of them.

jdl

You must not have noticed, JL, but not even cash-strapped Pimlico is letting your preferred recruits into the infield on Preakness day any more.

Frankly, I'm disappointed in you; eschewing legitimate criticism in favor of bogus charges you don't specify and/or qualify because you can't. If you actually knew of any novel ways to successfully recruit people capable of experiencing the joys of handicapping and/or wagering when sober, then you'd be too busy making money to bother posting on a message board where people have been dismissing your commentary since even before HANA got started.

[Dave Schwartz]

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

I must respectfully disagree with you JL.

Although I have yet to see any track do more than pay lip service to HANA - one exec told me that in private the group is referred to as HAHA - I recognize that the only hope on the horizon IS HANA.

Granted, they have no clout now - but let them get to 20,000 members and it could well be a different story.

Remember that AARP must have only had 100 members at some time in its history. Look at them today.


HANA is a "startup network." The first 100 members were probably the hardest. Getting to 1,000 members will be easier but still difficult. It is the jump from 1,000 to 10,000 that will tell all. If they can make that level, they will just spiral upward from there.

Imagine the "horseplayer good" that could be accomplished with 50,000 members! There won't be any HAHA-ing at that point.


HANA, I wish you will.


Regards,
Dave Schwartz

PS: Oh, and you do seem somewhat bitter.

[Hajck Hillstrom]

.....and am thankful jonnielu isn't. No disrespect, but I just can't embrace your position.

Shocking.

[BUD]

There is a lot in this Post--I Like HANA-I hate the Negative sh1t @ the Forums---When Your all effed up like moi--You can drowned in a sea of negativity--or live each day with your perception on the positive--Sh1t I sound like an informercial..I don't see HANA like this--But You Do--And I aint about to argue with you-----You should meet some of the cats from the Yahoo site---This one fella JC has more positive energy than Tony Robbins---There is a slow tide change--Itsa coming but its moving slow..

Originally Posted by jonnielu

I voted no. HANA is at least equal to industry management in a lack of vision, while it is more narrow-minded. It does more to keep the average person away from the sport, then it does to bring them in or win them over.

You greet the newcomer with a lot of negativity about how F'd up the game is because of the ignorance of management, and beckon him/her to join you in a snivelfest that is supposed to change it.

When all they want to do is sip a cold bear, do a little gaming, and chat up members of the opposite sex. If you could help them do that for a while, they might develop an interest in the sport while they are at it. There are many ways of doing that, telling the newcomer that he can never win because the take-out is too high, and all of the horses are on dope, is not one of them.

jdl