RPM Information Systems Software Complaint

[cbp]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

People don't understand this aspect of handicapping and betting horses or gambling in general.

I'm wondering what cbp's problem really is?

Why would I have a problem? I encounter philanthropic non-winners daily. All the pro's are on this site selling good stuff. It's not enough that they win, they want their competitors to also win. Makes my heart feel good.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by cbp

Why would I have a problem? I encounter philanthropic non-winners daily. All the pro's are on this site selling good stuff. It's not enough that they win, they want their competitors to also win. Makes my heart feel good.

I'm just noticing your recent posts and I'm concluding you do have a problem which is coming out in them. You should get out more. Attend seminars, talk to other handicappers etc. and absorb what info these "pros" are trying to help others understand, things which aren't readily apparent to most. You don't have to buy into their stuff 100%. Form your own opinion and make your own evaluations. You're an adult (I think and hope?).

I look at it this way .... this is a difficult game and people are easily discouraged. They help others in order to keep them in the game by improving their knowledge base whether it's possible is up to the intelligence of the recipient not the intelligence of the "pros". I do have a problem with individuals who provide b.s. because they're intentionally trying to mislead for their own agenda.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by NorCalGreg

The reason I asked if you were still promoting your wares, Pandy....I've mentioned a few times I use the Bris Summary as a major part of my handicapping. As you know I've purchased your software (bleh) and your Pace Spot Play Paper&Pencil method (love it). I didn't even know you had a Bris Summary Method----Why? Because ya don't advertise the dang thing! I had to stumble upon it 6-7 weeks ago to purchase it.
Enough out of me LOL. Do your job, Pandy. Hire CBP to beat up dead-beats that don't wanna pay up. I'll be your Marketing Dir. Give the nice P.A. man his remittance for advertising, for the love of God have that Al Gore website updated, and I will be glad to mention how I'm NOT using the Bris Summary, and Not using your Consistent Number Method, to Not hit winners.
Good day sir!
-NCG

Thanks. Glad you don't like my stuff. LOL

[Pensacola Pete]

Originally Posted by Tom

What ever happened to Mike Warren?

Mike Lasky, a.k.a. Warren found out that there was a bigger market in sports betting.

RPM seems to have 50 methods that hit a positive ROI of 40%+, while everybody else is struggling to break even. Enough said on them.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by Pensacola Pete

Mike Lasky, a.k.a. Warren found out that there was a bigger market in sports betting.

RPM seems to have 50 methods that hit a positive ROI of 40%+, while everybody else is struggling to break even. Enough said on them.

Warren is a phony, but probably made a lot of money. The scam some of these sports handicapping services use is they give out both sides of a game to say 100 suckers. Half of the people win, they call the winners and tell them that they have a lock coming up....but because it's a lock the price to get the pick is much higher.

I'm probably the only handicapping author who uses real stats and runs real time testing of my methods on my website.

[cardinalsfan]

Originally Posted by pandy

Warren is a phony, but probably made a lot of money. The scam some of these sports handicapping services use is they give out both sides of a game to say 100 suckers. Half of the people win, they call the winners and tell them that they have a lock coming up....but because it's a lock the price to get the pick is much higher.

I'm probably the only handicapping author who uses real stats and runs real time testing of my methods on my website.

You do have some legit items unlike the software mills like RPM.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by cardinalsfan

You do have some legit items unlike the software mills like RPM.

Thank you. There's a severe lack of integrity in so many businesses, and politics, it's unfortunate. My dad was a stockbroker and I remember when he was pressured at work because he refused to sell new bonds that were issued on Rockefeller Center to his customers. The bonds eventually went bust and everyone who purchased them lost their money. When his manager tried to pressure him to sell the bonds, my dad told him, "I sleep well at night. Do you?"

[dartman51]

MIKE WARREN, wow!! There's a name I haven't heard in a while. I still have the first handicapping book I ever purchased, way back in 1980. Mike Warren's 'How To Rob Racetracks Legally....THE METHOD'.

[JimG]

Originally Posted by dartman51

Mike Warren's 'How To Rob Racetracks Legally....THE METHOD'.

It should have been called How to Rob Horseplayers Legally. Then you open it up, it was one sentence long and says:

You bought this didn't you?

[Dave Schwartz]

There's a severe lack of integrity in so many businesses, and politics, it's unfortunate. My dad was a stockbroker and I remember when he was pressured at work because he refused to sell new bonds that were issued on Rockefeller Center to his customers. The bonds eventually went bust and everyone who purchased them lost their money. When his manager tried to pressure him to sell the bonds, my dad told him, "I sleep well at night. Do you?"

I had an old friend who worked for Merrill Lynch when they had those commercials that said, "We make money the old fashion way... we earn it"

His finish for that sentence was: "... We steal it."

[cardinalsfan]

Originally Posted by pandy

Thank you. There's a severe lack of integrity in so many businesses, and politics, it's unfortunate. My dad was a stockbroker and I remember when he was pressured at work because he refused to sell new bonds that were issued on Rockefeller Center to his customers. The bonds eventually went bust and everyone who purchased them lost their money. When his manager tried to pressure him to sell the bonds, my dad told him, "I sleep well at night. Do you?"

When a person puts out a handicapping product and advertises it honestly, that's all we can ask for. Then we can have more discussions about how the product works, different ways people use the product, etc.. When they produce products without integrity, we have discussions such as this one. You are right, integrity is key.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by cbp

You've witnessed quite a few of them. And, I didn't need CJ to get an opinion.

Jealous much?

[raybo]

Originally Posted by cardinalsfan

When a person puts out a handicapping product and advertises it honestly, that's all we can ask for. Then we can have more discussions about how the product works, different ways people use the product, etc.. When they produce products without integrity, we have discussions such as this one. You are right, integrity is key.

The problem with advertisements, regarding the potential user/client, is that it's tough to determine the goal, or priority, of the creator (to help the user be more successful, or to simply make profit). And likewise, it's tough for the creator, in that he/she must somehow "prove" that the product has real value for the user/client. In other words --- words are just words, and mean little without substantiation. Another tough thing, for both, is the learning curve involved. The creator, naturally, knows all there is to know about the proper operation and usage of the product, while the user may not give the product a viable test or be unable to understand and grasp the operation and usage of the product, as it was intended by the creator. Almost invariably, the creator will be able to use the product more successfully than the average user. Does that mean the product is not viable, or does it mean that the user does not, or cannot, use the product as it was intended?

[raybo]

Originally Posted by cbp

Why would I have a problem? I encounter philanthropic non-winners daily. All the pro's are on this site selling good stuff. It's not enough that they win, they want their competitors to also win. Makes my heart feel good.

The "pros" you speak of here know that the only way to continue being successful is for the game to continue and thrive, meaning horse racing must be here in the future. Personally, the one thing I can do to help the game continue is to help those players who have not been particularly successful and may soon quit the game, become more successful players. By doing that, one does not diminish one's own success by sharing their methods/tools, one enhances the probability that the game will still be here in the future. Without the game, there can be no "pros".

[Tom]

Originally Posted by cbp

If you're winning, then why are you hawking? One would think after 40 years winning would be enough and you wouldn't have to prove yourself to anyone.

I've posted a ton of bombs. I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Believe me when I tell you, no one cares.