Del Mar Announcement

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by anotherCAfan

If Arrogate wins out for the rest of the year, will he be denied HOY because Baffert had the gumption not to run him in NY and KY?

Was this a serious question?

[anotherCAfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

Was this a serious question?

Yes.

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by anotherCAfan

Yes.

Pretty sure a Pegasus, Dubai, whatever race or race at Delmar and Classic season would earn him HOY. Do horses often get penalized in HOY votes for not running in NY or KY?

[theiman]

Del Mar--Not really an announcement, but in the condition book..

From the new condition book.
FIFTH RACE CAL BRED OR SIRED ALLOWANCE/CLAIMING
Purse $62,000. For California Bred Or California Sired Three Year Olds
And Upward Which Have Never Won $10,000 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Or Starter Or Which Have Never Won Two Races Or Claiming
Price $20,000.
Three Year Olds 120 lbs. Older 124 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Other Than Maiden, Claiming, Or Starter 2 lbs.
(Non-Starters for a claiming price of $16,000 or less in the last 3 starts preferred)
(HORSES THAT ARE ENTERED FOR THE CLAIMING PRICE ARE RUNNING FOR A
PURSE OF $35,000)
FIVE FURLONGS(Turf)

I dont know if this is done on other circuits.

I read this from an article by Jon Lindo. Jons opinion is below:

The purse discrimination creates the following negative incentives in regards to creating full fields:

• Negative incentive for horsemen to enter claiming eligible horses in the Cal-bred Allowance/Optional Claiming races due to reduced purses.

• Negative incentive for owners to spend money to claim horses to run in those same races due to the lower possible return on investment.

• Less probable inventory available to fill out the fields.

There was no prior notice given by Del Mar or the California Thoroughbred Breeders Association to owners or trainers in regards to the new purse conditions.

Field size drives handle. Handle leads to increased purses. Increased purses leads to more demand for both young horses and older claimers. It is a win for the horseplayer, the breeder, the owner, and the racetrack operators.

I believe this new race condition is sending the wrong message to the owners who put up the money to participate in this sport. And any rule that discriminates against one segment of the industry while not affecting others can’t be good for the overall health of the business. It will simply chase more horsemen out of the business and/or send them to other states where there is a level playing field. Good luck filling out those fields if there are no owners to foot the bills for horses to participate.

http://www.gamingtoday.com/race_spor...will_they_hold

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by theiman

Del Mar--Not really an announcement, but in the condition book..

From the new condition book.
FIFTH RACE CAL BRED OR SIRED ALLOWANCE/CLAIMING
Purse $62,000. For California Bred Or California Sired Three Year Olds
And Upward Which Have Never Won $10,000 Once Other Than Maiden,
Claiming, Or Starter Or Which Have Never Won Two Races Or Claiming
Price $20,000.
Three Year Olds 120 lbs. Older 124 lbs.
Non-winners Of A Race Other Than Maiden, Claiming, Or Starter 2 lbs.
(Non-Starters for a claiming price of $16,000 or less in the last 3 starts preferred)
(HORSES THAT ARE ENTERED FOR THE CLAIMING PRICE ARE RUNNING FOR A
PURSE OF $35,000)
FIVE FURLONGS(Turf)

I dont know if this is done on other circuits.

I read this from an article by Jon Lindo. Jons opinion is below:

The purse discrimination creates the following negative incentives in regards to creating full fields:

• Negative incentive for horsemen to enter claiming eligible horses in the Cal-bred Allowance/Optional Claiming races due to reduced purses.

• Negative incentive for owners to spend money to claim horses to run in those same races due to the lower possible return on investment.

• Less probable inventory available to fill out the fields.

There was no prior notice given by Del Mar or the California Thoroughbred Breeders Association to owners or trainers in regards to the new purse conditions.

Field size drives handle. Handle leads to increased purses. Increased purses leads to more demand for both young horses and older claimers. It is a win for the horseplayer, the breeder, the owner, and the racetrack operators.

I believe this new race condition is sending the wrong message to the owners who put up the money to participate in this sport. And any rule that discriminates against one segment of the industry while not affecting others can’t be good for the overall health of the business. It will simply chase more horsemen out of the business and/or send them to other states where there is a level playing field. Good luck filling out those fields if there are no owners to foot the bills for horses to participate.

http://www.gamingtoday.com/race_spor...will_they_hold

I guess they can do it. After all, they already do this sort of thing in the form of various additional purse incentives for Cal Breds and similar stuff.

But I agree this is hugely problematic. And that's a HUGE purse disparity-- it's not like offering a 10 percent bonus for the allowance horses; they are basically running for almost twice the money.

[HorsemenHeist]

Does this mean we'll see Cal Bred N2X races for a higher tag? Or a Cal Bred open $40,000 condition? I imagine a new class level will be added, otherwise this decision makes no sense. Would drive claiming, which is about $2k/horse on sales tax and field size.