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10-23-2014, 08:22 AM
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payment from Presque Isle
i had a horse that ran there over a month ago the horse got a purse and got claimed. my bookeeper waited a week to fax a payment request. 2 weeks go buy and no check. i had her call the track to see if they got the request, no answer on the telephone, she e=mailed them as well with no response. yesterday she finally got someone on the phone. we have 3 purses and the claim to get paid. the gentleman that answered the phone told her they ran out of money and are trying to get a loan and it will be at least another month before i can get my money. meanwhile i didn't make excuses to my trainer and vets, i just paid. what happened here is they stole my money, i called my trainer he told me he is being stalled as well.
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10-23-2014, 09:09 AM
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They got a freakin casino and they have no money? Close the casino down.
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10-23-2014, 09:17 AM
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after 40 years at this game, this is a new one.
it wasn't just me either.
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10-23-2014, 10:08 AM
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yea I've never heard of that happening. I would have to say that is illegal as hell. Especially not having the funds for the claim.
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10-23-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mineshaft
They got a freakin casino and they have no money? Close the casino down.
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The casino business isn't what it use to be. Maybe they will have to start depending the bettors to pay the horsemen. Yes, I know that is a radical idea and they'll never try it.
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10-23-2014, 10:30 AM
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Is there laws that prevent this from happening? This is rediculous.
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10-23-2014, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i had a horse that ran there over a month ago the horse got a purse and got claimed. my bookeeper waited a week to fax a payment request. 2 weeks go buy and no check. i had her call the track to see if they got the request, no answer on the telephone, she e=mailed them as well with no response. yesterday she finally got someone on the phone. we have 3 purses and the claim to get paid. the gentleman that answered the phone told her they ran out of money and are trying to get a loan and it will be at least another month before i can get my money. meanwhile i didn't make excuses to my trainer and vets, i just paid. what happened here is they stole my money, i called my trainer he told me he is being stalled as well.
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Have they held back the claim money too? If so, besides problems with the purse accounts, they are dipping into owner's accounts too. Sounds criminal.
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10-23-2014, 11:11 AM
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What on earth would they be digging through the horsemen's purse fund from their share of handle/subsidies for? And the claim? How was that not credited to your account as soon as the papers were signed off in the office?
How do you run out of money that was never yours? This story makes very little sense, has to be much more to it.
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10-23-2014, 11:26 AM
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The claim funds go right from the claimers pocket to the owners right? If so and this is 100% correct I bet someone was dipping into funds then used this money to corecct it orbalance it out like everything was fine, at least till everyone wants their $$. The casino should be shut down asap imo. Only this industry......
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10-23-2014, 11:27 AM
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Someone call Ray Paulick and see if he can investigate this.
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10-23-2014, 05:05 PM
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I don't know how upset you are or if you want to wait for the checks. The state attorney general would be all over that in NY. I don't know about Pennsylvania but here it would take about 10 days and they would be after them. I got burned by a boat dealer and was surprised how quick the owner called me with a check after he was contacted by the attorney generals office.
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10-23-2014, 05:11 PM
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Presque Isle's director of racing Debbie Howell told me there have been delays but that it is her understanding the issue has been resolved this week. The money from the casino goes to a state agency (she thought it was the Department of Agriculture, which oversees the Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission), then goes to the HBPA, which is to distribute the money through the horsemen's bookkeeper. Debbie was unsure where the bottleneck was. A spokesman for the racing commission also said it has been resolved.
By the way, anyone want to be executive director of Pa Racing Commission? They're advertising a job opening! http://arcicom.businesscatalyst.com/job-openings.html
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10-23-2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mineshaft
Someone call Ray Paulick and see if he can investigate this.
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10-23-2014, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Paulick
Presque Isle's director of racing Debbie Howell told me there have been delays but that it is her understanding the issue has been resolved this week. The money from the casino goes to a state agency (she thought it was the Department of Agriculture, which oversees the Pennsylvania Horse Racing Commission), then goes to the HBPA, which is to distribute the money through the horsemen's bookkeeper. Debbie was unsure where the bottleneck was. A spokesman for the racing commission also said it has been resolved.
By the way, anyone want to be executive director of Pa Racing Commission? They're advertising a job opening! http://arcicom.businesscatalyst.com/job-openings.html |
to the best of my knowledge nothing has been straightened out yet. there was no answer again today at the horseman's bookeeper's office. i spoke with another large trainer and owner that is due over $80,000 and he is going through the same thing as i am.
as far as i know, this is never supposed to happen. in my life i have never heard of a racetrack that needs to borrow money to pay an owner for a claimed horse. for that matter, i have never heard of a race track having to get a loan to pay a purse that took place 5 weeks ago.
i only brought this up because this is bazaar. i can afford to wait for my money, but some guys can't.
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10-23-2014, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
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thank you SRU
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