Religious

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Why do you bring the devil into this?

Again, you err in logic.
Boxcar

Undoubtedly I do make errors in logic.

The error of your logic though is to believe everything in the Bible.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Why do you bring the devil into this?

Again, you err in logic.
Boxcar

Excuse me, but the Devil is central to your thesis that man is a born sinner.

I seem to remember a Sunday school teacher tell us a children that Adam sinned because the Satan (the Devil) disguised himself as a serpent and lured
Eve to take a bite from the fruit of the tree of Knowledge.

[Robert Goren]

Boxcar,If everything is predetermined, why do you spend so much time preaching?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Boxcar,If everything is predetermined, why do you spend so much time preaching?

Because that's predetermined too.

[wes]

Boxcar, unforeseen circumstances befall us all in many areas of life. Only those whom have had those experiences perhaps understand.

wes

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by wes

Boxcar, unforeseen circumstances befall us all in many areas of life. Only those whom have had those experiences perhaps understand.

wes

Understand what?

Virtually all adults that I've ever met have had unforeseen circumstances befall them in many areas of life.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Interesting isn't it that books written by Jewish authors designate Israel as the chosen nation.

And you expected God to reveal that truth to whom exactly -- one of the 7 heathen nations from whom Israel was going to dispossess them of their land so Israel could become the new tenant?

Boxcar

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And you expected God to reveal that truth to whom exactly -- one of the 7 heathen nations from whom Israel was going to dispossess them of their land so Israel could become the new tenant?

Boxcar

Why didn't God reveal this truth to the Greeks?

If it was planned for the sacred writings to be written in Greek anyway...then why not have them being written by Greeks?

[Light]

Some say that Jesus was a Palestinian (including people like Bill Maher)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...lestinian.html

Imagine if historians discover it to be true. Oops!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Excuse me, but the Devil is central to your thesis that man is a born sinner.

I seem to remember a Sunday school teacher tell us a children that Adam sinned because the Satan (the Devil) disguised himself as a serpent and lured
Eve to take a bite from the fruit of the tree of Knowledge.

Okay...so you want to talk about the Fall? Fine. I did say earlier that this latest tragedy which has evoked all these "why" questions really does beg the question. Once we talk about the pain, misery, suffering and death in the world, we might as well go back to the source and talk about all of it, which was the Fall. Have I not broached this subject previously? And I think I might have done that a little bit with Overlay because he seems to be a big proponent of libertarian-style free will and has often said that God "allowed" or "permitted" the Fall. I say (more to the point) that God decreed the Fall because that seems to be more in line with everything that is taught in scripture about God's sovereignty.

Also, ironically, the devil represents a huge Achilles' Heel to Overlay's type of thinking because it must be asked: Why did God send his "bulldog" down to earth after he sinned to tempt our first parents? After all, who tempted Lucifer when he fell? Arminians (those who hold to "free will" theology) have a really tough time dealing with that issue. But Calvinists say that the Fall of Lucifer and our first parents were decreed in eternity by God. If this is the case, then why? Why did God decree the Falls? As stated several months ago, I subscribe to Agustine's explanation that God thought it better for mankind to have the knowledge of Good and Evil, rather than not; for God could have prevented sin from entering the universe altogether if that had been his will. If this is the case, then why? I say that it's because having this knowledge was the only way for man to really have fuller, deeper knowledge of God and who He is. Without the Fall, we would have an incomplete knowledge.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Why didn't God reveal this truth to the Greeks?

If it was planned for the sacred writings to be written in Greek anyway...then why not have them being written by Greeks?

Because Abraham and his descendants are a wee bit older than the Greek people?

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Boxcar,If everything is predetermined, why do you spend so much time preaching?

Answer me this first: You say you are a believer? How did you become one?

Boxcar

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Answer me this first: You say you are a believer? How did you become one?

Boxcar

I was raised as one(Methodist). I have slide away a few times, but have always found my way back.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Undoubtedly I do make errors in logic.

The error of your logic though is to believe everything in the Bible.

At least having the mind of Christ keeps my thinking straight; for He never erred.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I was raised as one(Methodist). I have slide away a few times, but have always found my way back.

So you were born into your faith the way Jews in the OT were born into their covenant relationship with God, providing they were circumcised?

Boxcar