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01-22-2018, 05:22 PM
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Am I crazy thinking that weather its 9F or even longer that Sharp Azteca is a very real threat to wire this group?
You know Gun Runner is not going to go after him, he is probably hoping after Collected's last loss blamed on rating that he will go, but I dont see him going.
Could be completely loose.
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01-22-2018, 06:05 PM
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#122
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Am I crazy thinking that weather its 9F or even longer that Sharp Azteca is a very real threat to wire this group?
You know Gun Runner is not going to go after him, he is probably hoping after Collected's last loss blamed on rating that he will go, but I dont see him going.
Could be completely loose.
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I don't think that is going to happen. For one, Sharp Azteca has run fine rating as well. If I remember right he was dreadful in his one try around two turns, though granted it was like 18 months ago.
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01-22-2018, 06:18 PM
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#123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Am I crazy thinking that weather its 9F or even longer that Sharp Azteca is a very real threat to wire this group?
You know Gun Runner is not going to go after him, he is probably hoping after Collected's last loss blamed on rating that he will go, but I dont see him going.
Could be completely loose.
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He certainly has a puncher's chance to steal the race, and is a threat to carry the pace a long way and hit the board.
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01-22-2018, 07:18 PM
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#124
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP
Am I crazy thinking that weather its 9F or even longer that Sharp Azteca is a very real threat to wire this group?
You know Gun Runner is not going to go after him, he is probably hoping after Collected's last loss blamed on rating that he will go, but I dont see him going.
Could be completely loose.
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Not crazy at all. He doesn't even need the lead...
IMO, there is a real argument to be made that he should be favored Saturday. He's consistently faster than GR with the exception of his dead rail BC race. I don't see a reason he can't get the 9f.
Post draw could be telling.
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01-22-2018, 07:21 PM
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If someone gets loose, I think it's unlikely they will be loose in a slow pace. Whoever gets the lead is going to have to earn it.
I can see Sharp Azteca stalking if someone out breaks him or has an advantage due to post position, but I can't see him taking back. He's probably faster than these horses coming out of the speed filled shorter races and I'm not sure I'd want him trying to close down Gun Runner and Collected going longer. He's gotten really good, but I'd still prefer him turning for home with the lead.
I can't see Collected being ridden like he was last time. That didn't work. He is almost definitely going to be ridden more aggressively to get good position.
Gunner Runner will be close.
The pace almost has be honest or a little quick.
If 2 of them get a little carried away due to post position it could get hot, but I can't imagine it being suicidal. That would be too dumb when you are going for this much money. Going really hard and risking finishing off the board would be damn expensive when you can't even sure going really hard will work.
I'm going to wait for the PP draw and as always to see how the track is playing, but if I try to beat Gun Runner, it will probably be with West Coast. He's younger and still lightly raced enough to jump up. He'll also be close enough. If the track and post is against him and more with inside speed, maybe I'll take a shot with Sharp Azteca. If it all looks neutral maybe I'll go with a beer.
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Last edited by classhandicapper; 01-22-2018 at 07:23 PM.
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01-22-2018, 08:07 PM
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#126
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
If someone gets loose, I think it's unlikely they will be loose in a slow pace. Whoever gets the lead is going to have to earn it.
I can see Sharp Azteca stalking if someone out breaks him or has an advantage due to post position, but I can't see him taking back. He's probably faster than these horses coming out of the speed filled shorter races and I'm not sure I'd want him trying to close down Gun Runner and Collected going longer. He's gotten really good, but I'd still prefer him turning for home with the lead.
I can't see Collected being ridden like he was last time. That didn't work. He is almost definitely going to be ridden more aggressively to get good position.
Gunner Runner will be close.
The pace almost has be honest or a little quick.
If 2 of them get a little carried away due to post position it could get hot, but I can't imagine it being suicidal. That would be too dumb when you are going for this much money. Going really hard and risking finishing off the board would be damn expensive when you can't even sure going really hard will work.
I'm going to wait for the PP draw and as always to see how the track is playing, but if I try to beat Gun Runner, it will probably be with West Coast. He's younger and still lightly raced enough to jump up. He'll also be close enough. If the track and post is against him and more with inside speed, maybe I'll take a shot with Sharp Azteca. If it all looks neutral maybe I'll go with a beer.
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I'll join you with the beer. Gun Runner's last race, and how many times has a good horse as the favorite lost the last one, it seems to always to happen. I have sort of become a fan of this horse and think I will sit this one out and just cheer him on.
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01-22-2018, 08:37 PM
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Sharp Azteca looked awesome last time out.
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01-22-2018, 08:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I don't think that is going to happen. For one, Sharp Azteca has run fine rating as well. If I remember right he was dreadful in his one try around two turns, though granted it was like 18 months ago.
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Sharp Azteca ran twice around 2 turns in 2017, Beyer figs of 108 & 107 so nothing to sneeze at. He had one start at 2 turns as a 3yo, not a bad effort then either but a little below par.
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01-22-2018, 08:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SG4
Sharp Azteca ran twice around 2 turns in 2017, Beyer figs of 108 & 107 so nothing to sneeze at. He had one start at 2 turns as a 3yo, not a bad effort then either but a little below par.
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he shattered the track record@MTH for 1 1/16
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01-22-2018, 10:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SG4
Sharp Azteca ran twice around 2 turns in 2017, Beyer figs of 108 & 107 so nothing to sneeze at. He had one start at 2 turns as a 3yo, not a bad effort then either but a little below par.
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Thanks, forgot about those. They weren't very good fields but he did run well. The one as a 3yo was bad, wasn't he 1 to 5 or close to that?
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01-22-2018, 10:55 PM
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AA being paid by TSG?
Free all expense paid trip to Gulf for the PAYgasus?
Another Stronach mouthpiece?
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01-23-2018, 07:08 AM
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#132
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denny
AA being paid by TSG?
Free all expense paid trip to Gulf for the PAYgasus?
Another Stronach mouthpiece?
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Here's what Ace Detective Denny is referring to. The post was the first comment under the most recent article about the Pegasus:
21 Jan 2018 at 12:48 pm | #
JP,
AA’s invitation is a very encouraging indication that TSG might actually value the recreational horseplayer’s business. Let’s hope their exposure to what he can bring to a conversation bears some fruit.
Denny's attempt mischaracterize me and my trip to Gulfstream for Pegasus is low but not unexpected from him.
Yes, the most outspoken horseplayer advocate and one of the leaders of the boycott in 2011 for the last 7 years is a Stronach Mouthpiece. I don't work in the Industry and never have. If anything several high profile people in California have prevented me from working in the Industry. So where's the beef?
Being invited by Ritvo to Gulfstream is positive sign. I'm mostly going to talk about suggestions I've made in the past for California Racing ....
https://www.paulickreport.com/horsep...-horse-racing/
But I am also going to talk about post drag and timing races. Anyone who's really knows me and what I've been advocating for knows that this is a very positive development and it says a lot about Ritvo.
Oh, and I also plan to have a good time. Is that OK?
You don't have any idea how many people I've personally set up at Del Mar for comps over the years.
So, "All Expenses" is a bald face lie.
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01-24-2018, 12:16 PM
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#133
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I don't think that is going to happen. For one, Sharp Azteca has run fine rating as well. If I remember right he was dreadful in his one try around two turns, though granted it was like 18 months ago.
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He went two turns on Breeders' Cup day at Del Mar.
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01-24-2018, 12:33 PM
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#134
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Singing Bullet
West Coast
Stellar Wind
Sharp Azteca
Collected
Gunnevera
Fear the Cowboy
War Story
Toast of New York
Gun Runner
Seeking the Soul
Game Over
AE 13 - Giuseppe The Great
AE 14 - Game Over
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01-24-2018, 12:40 PM
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#135
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#12 is giant expectations
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