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01-30-2017, 10:48 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Pegasus timing
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01-30-2017, 11:34 PM
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Personally I thought the time was off a little. I had it a shade under 1:47 myself. Amazing how a track like Gulfstream can have as many timing issues as they seem to have.
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01-30-2017, 11:38 PM
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NoPoints4ME
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So....Their listed run up was wrong AND their course is 1 1/8 minus 25 feet.
And people wonder why I refuse to bet GP .
Great job, as usual CJ
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01-30-2017, 11:39 PM
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Pace Cappa
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You think it would of been fixed after years of dysfunction ????
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01-31-2017, 08:48 AM
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The oval at Gulfstream is not short as I was told, but is actually a little longer. This would support the notion that the timing of the Poseidon is correct and the Pegasus is not. It explains why the actual timing of the race starts after the horses pass finish line the first time.
This come from Simon Rowlands, formerly of Timeform.
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01-31-2017, 09:08 AM
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Good job CJ.
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This come from Simon Rowlands, formerly of Timeform.
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Is Simon still in the industry? Good guy and very bright.
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01-31-2017, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Good job CJ.
Is Simon still in the industry? Good guy and very bright.
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He does freelance writing and still does some stuff for Timeform I believe.
As for the race, I'm about as certain as can be that Arrogate should have the track record. I ran the race alongside the 2014 Donn where Lea set the track record and Arrogate ran faster.
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01-31-2017, 09:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
He does freelance writing and still does some stuff for Timeform I believe.
As for the race, I'm about as certain as can be that Arrogate should have the track record. I ran the race alongside the 2014 Donn where Lea set the track record and Arrogate ran faster.
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Whats funny is I told someone that was Arrogate's B- race yesterday based on the final time....oops
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01-31-2017, 09:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
He does freelance writing and still does some stuff for Timeform I believe.
As for the race, I'm about as certain as can be that Arrogate should have the track record. I ran the race alongside the 2014 Donn where Lea set the track record and Arrogate ran faster.
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If you raise the speed figure, how does the rest of the race look figure wise on your numbers.
I didn't see all your numbers, but on Beyer he already has Shaman Ghost running an all time top by 2 points and Neolithic pairing despite being on that lively pace. To add more to the race might start making it look shaky on his numbers.
In a non time based way, not taking anything away from Shaman Ghost, Neolithic etc... but they aren't world beaters.
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Last edited by classhandicapper; 01-31-2017 at 09:40 AM.
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01-31-2017, 09:45 AM
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Very interesting, great work CJ and Bruno. When the time went up I was surprised it wasn't faster. This explains it.
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01-31-2017, 09:46 AM
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World's Biggest Race run on the world's crappiest stage.
Part of the reason I had essentially no interest in the race or the under card.
GP is totally incompetent and has been for decades.
It will not change under present ownership.
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01-31-2017, 10:56 AM
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Very interesting. What does it mean when they say that "Trakus is the official timer"? Does it mean that they rely solely on the positioning system for everything, including determining when the start and finish lines are crossed?
Are there any traditional trip sensors and, if so, are they used to cross-check the positioning data?
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01-31-2017, 11:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper
If you raise the speed figure, how does the rest of the race look figure wise on your numbers.
I didn't see all your numbers, but on Beyer he already has Shaman Ghost running an all time top by 2 points and Neolithic pairing despite being on that lively pace. To add more to the race might start making it look shaky on his numbers.
In a non time based way, not taking anything away from Shaman Ghost, Neolithic etc... but they aren't world beaters.
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It is hard to say until I figure out the actual fractions. The posted ones are surely wrong.
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01-31-2017, 11:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
World's Biggest Race run on the world's crappiest stage.
Part of the reason I had essentially no interest in the race or the under card.
GP is totally incompetent and has been for decades.
It will not change under present ownership.
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The undercard was fine.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 01-31-2017 at 11:50 AM.
Reason: Stuff like "you need to take your meds"...not tolerated in horse racing threads...save for off-topic
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01-31-2017, 11:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st time lasix
you need to take your meds....The undercard was fine.
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Actually neither of the 1 1/2 mile.turf races have fractions for 10f. I know a lot of people that are interested in the last quarter mile of a turf race.
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