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Niko · 04-20-2008, 12:23 AM

Maybe someone can help me out. Other than being trained by Pletcher who wins more than his fair share of derby preps, why 5-1 on behindathebar.

Pretty competitive field, low on numbers from the 2 services I use, nothing to make me see why he's 5-1 and wins other than Pletcher.

Did he show up strong on any other numbers? Was it just Pletcher?

JustRalph · 04-20-2008, 12:28 AM

I didn't like him either............although I was interested when Flores took the flight. He ran pretty well on the poly......Flores flys in...........I guess that was what they were betting................

Tom · 04-20-2008, 01:00 AM

He certainly was not that impressive on figures. Several had a lot better thanhe did. I chalk it up a very bad field and his turn came up. A yawner.

DJofSD · 04-20-2008, 01:09 AM

In a race that set up for on other-than-early runner, Behindthebar was the 2nd best sustained pace horse. Best closer was the show horse, Riley Tucker. However my numbers indicated he'd be much farther back than the winner. But, as it turned out, Riley layed closer to the pace than did Behindthe bar. And Samba Rooster coming moderately close to winning it "flag fall to that's all" was not a surprise.

BoldEye · 04-20-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Niko

Maybe someone can help me out. Other than being trained by Pletcher who wins more than his fair share of derby preps, why 5-1 on behindathebar.

Pretty competitive field, low on numbers from the 2 services I use, nothing to make me see why he's 5-1 and wins other than Pletcher.

Did he show up strong on any other numbers? Was it just Pletcher?

Niko: Behindthebar threw out some solid numbers with the program I use, which put him on top. I do feel the Pletcher/Flores combo depressed his odds quite a bit. I've attached a screenshot of the analysis screen...Marty

JustRalph · 04-20-2008, 04:19 AM

does that program show the 2nd place horse running 6th?

BoldEye · 04-20-2008, 05:55 AM

Yeah...I hate it when that happens.

Ned Locke · 04-20-2008, 08:59 AM

Your system also made Salute the Sarge number 2 and Samba Rooster number 6.

Let us know what it makes of the Derby, so we can toss its top four picks.

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Originally Posted by BoldEye

Niko: Behindthebar threw out some solid numbers with the program I use, which put him on top. I do feel the Pletcher/Flores combo depressed his odds quite a bit. I've attached a screenshot of the analysis screen...Marty

ryesteve · 04-20-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ned Locke

Your system also made Salute the Sarge number 2 and Samba Rooster number 6.

Let us know what it makes of the Derby, so we can toss its top four picks.

Yeah, because any software that can't give you a cold Super in every race is obviously a piece of crap

Ned Locke · 04-20-2008, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ryesteve

Yeah, because any software that can't give you a cold Super in every race is obviously a piece of crap

I think my grandmother could have come up with that roster on a given race. There was no continuity in the selections. I'd really like to see what that program touts for the Derby top four. Assuming it could get one of the placing horses in there, I'll decide which one it is.

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DJofSD · 04-20-2008, 09:29 AM

Trifecta - like this? From The Mystery Horse thread:

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A preliminary look at the match up tomorrow -- Tomcito is up against it. He'll definitely have to "kick it up a notch". If he runs to his works, breaks well, some how over comes the outside post bias and is not straggling far back, he could get 2nd.

At the moment, Behindthebar has some very tempting pace numbers. And this is Todd's other horse.

I see early pace runners as Samba Rooster, St. Joe and possibly Atoned pressing closer than normal. Felon and Red Sandy just broke their maiden and who knows what they'll do coming out of the gate. As a guess, I'd say Felon with Julien will be a part of that early contest.

If the early pace is not break-neck crazy, Samba Rooster might carry his speed.

Riley Tucker has every right to get a minor prize.

headhawg · 04-20-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ned Locke

I think my grandmother could have come up with that roster on a given race. There was no continuity in the selections. I'd really like to see what that program touts for the Derby top four. Assuming it could get one of the placing horses in there, I'll decide which one it is.

Why not just ask your grandmother?

And I really wish that players who want to see someone else's black box software picks would just buy a handicapping program, take its top 3 or 4 picks, and throw lots of money into the pools. Lots of money. That would make me very happy.

PaceAdvantage · 04-20-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ned Locke

Let us know what it makes of the Derby, so we can toss its top four picks.

I can tell you're gonna last here a long, long time with insights such as this....

Marshall Bennett · 04-20-2008, 12:37 PM

I rate this race right along side the Blue Grass ... throw it out , draw a line through it , look elsewhere , means nothing . Stay tuned for next year and much of the same . When , if ever , they go back to racing on dirt again , I'll consider it . The idiots ruined a truely outstanding facility .

FlyinLate · 04-20-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ned Locke

Your system also made Salute the Sarge number 2 and Samba Rooster number 6.

Let us know what it makes of the Derby, so we can toss its top four picks.

I hope you would toss the top 4 selections considering that program managed to come up with the winner.

If there was a program that could pick the top 4 on a regular basis don't you think everyone would have it?