NYRA cancelling

[Tom]

Just answering Class's question, or even ignoring, this thread would probably have ended there,

I know of mo other bigger waste of time than twitter.
Why would I waste time on idiots I would never talk to in real life?

Oh, you had a thought, and posted it!!!!
Who the HELL are you and whT do I care?

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by Tom

Just answering Class's question, or even ignoring, this thread would probably have ended there,

I know of mo other bigger waste of time than twitter.
Why would I waste time on idiots I would never talk to in real life?

Oh, you had a thought, and posted it!!!!
Who the HELL are you and whT do I care?

mostly agree.

Sometimes a deep thought just hits you at 2:00 AM and you have to share to 30 vaguely interrelated strangers

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[wiretowire68]

I meant that Aqueduct the track will be tore down, not the casino, even though the building is falling apart. I happen to like Aqueduct and the winter meet, it is nice to see other riders get more opportunities and not have the Irad stuck in your head every time he is on a horse because like all the greats, even though I do not really like Andy... he is correct at times that the public wastes big money on him, which NYRA loves.. If and when Aqu is done, I think it will be sad. It is another sign that we all get old, things change. I am Cdn. and even Woodbine will cancel on bad snow days because of visibility or extreme cold.

I was making a point about the powers that be in racing, the Breeders Cup to me was the best two days of the year and to a degree still are. However (besides the pandemic, I believe they have it a disservice by constantly running it in California) I know that Keeneland has been thrown into the mix, but look at when they use to move it around. Woodbine, Gulfstream, Belmont, Mth.(I know that was a disaster because of the weather) It was held at Lone Star when it opened. There is no reason why they could not cut this back to the middle of October and move it around. It would be good for the game, have it at the Spa in the fall, did you see Santa Anita this year, I believe it was not sold out I could be wrong.
The synthetics are better and the traditionalists should stop and consider,,, they worry about the horses and they are being more transparent, the weather is more volatile but in terms of the gambler and the players, I know it always seems that they have lost touch and have gotten lost or left behind when it comes to horse racing. Cancellations hurt them. they lose money but safety is first and it should be And the Breeders Cup ... and moving it around.. it should be done.. only Del Mar, Santa Anita, Keenland and Churchill........its an international day...

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Post #1 read as:

Would they have cancelled yesterday and today if synthetic available?

Is this a way of conditioning their customer base for winter racing on the stuff?

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your take is that this is a ridiculous conspiracy. My take is that this is someone who saw something unusual and read something into it. Is it a ridiculous conspiracy theory to think that maybe NYRA is having a change of heart on their original plans? It may very well be incorrect, but the response I would have made if I was in TLG's position was

To my knowledge everything is going as originally planned. This was an unusual weather condition that was written about in this article, specifically paragraph 3. It was a jockey's decision and had nothing to do with the racetrack.


But Tlg's response was



Not that you are interested, but the reason for the cancellation had ZERO to do with the racetrack. Here's Dave Grening's article about the cancellation. I suggest reading the quote in the third paragraph...


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He basically says the same thing I would have said, but he does so in a way that attacks the op. I find that to be completely unnecessary and unprofessional.




Next you go onto post 28 which was a response to this post by TLG.

I am not a fan of synthetic racing but, based on what we are seeing at Gulfstream and Turfway, our field size will likely go up in the Winter if we are running on synth.


Ch's response was


I thought the synth track was only going to be used sparingly due to wet weather and off the turf races?


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If I was a horse player that played mainly the NYRA circuit and did not like synthetic racing and read TLG's post, I would also read into it, looks like maybe they are reconsidering. So Ch want's assurance that they are not going to go the route of more synthetic racing. This imo is a legitimate question and concern.


TLG, responds with


OK. What's the point? Not that you ever really have one.


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I hope that I don't have to explain that that is far beyond unprofessional. That is my take. I don't really worry about "gotcha". That is elementary school shit as far as I am concerned. But to each their own.

Might be a good time to remind you of a post you made to me this past August. How quickly you have forgotten...

Originally Posted by Poindexter

. I have read so many posts at so many forums over the years and some are good, some not so good. Doesn't phase me one bit. Also if I post and if someone thinks I am wrong or an idiot, also doesn't phase me one bit. Everyone has opinions and should have a right to express themselves, whether I agree or not. If they can prove me wrong, be my guest. I'll live. But when I saw this post by Bustin Stones, that was an aha moment for me It hit me that you must deal with such ridiculous comments so often (as a face of NYRA) that what else can you do but come up with little one liners to tackle the frustrations of dealing with it. Like I said you have my blessing from here on out. I now officially get it.

Here is another one...

Originally Posted by Poindexter

Tlg, after reading the quoted post, I sincerely apologize for ever giving you a hard time for your one liners. If this is what you have to deal with, blast away and enjoy it!

[Poindexter]

I admitted earlier in this thread that I gave you a pass. See post #48, when I posted

As far as TLG, I gave him a pass a while back



So theoretically I am out of line. I actually was giving you a pass and letting it go. Generally I don't get involved in feuds between posters anyhow. When Dennis Williams got involved, well I decided to get involved. Then Pa brings up his point, brought me in more. Robert (Jason) asks me a question, brings me in more. If I am going to post I have to explain my posts.

Hey you are free to do what you want. Just call it constructive criticism. If you are not on board, or think I am wrong and want no part of my recommended behavior and find no value in what I posted, that is your prerogative. What I posted earlier in the thread is my opinion and as usual, when I post, I feel like I am correct. Like I said earlier in this thread, I am glad you post.

I am not the forum police and I am not planning to address the subject again. So you carry on as you will. I will do the same, Ch will do the same and of course Pa will do the same.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by wiretowire68

I meant that Aqueduct the track will be tore down, not the casino, even though the building is falling apart. I happen to like Aqueduct and the winter meet, it is nice to see other riders get more opportunities and not have the Irad stuck in your head every time he is on a horse because like all the greats, even though I do not really like Andy... he is correct at times that the public wastes big money on him, which NYRA loves.. If and when Aqu is done, I think it will be sad. It is another sign that we all get old, things change. I am Cdn. and even Woodbine will cancel on bad snow days because of visibility or extreme cold.

I was making a point about the powers that be in racing, the Breeders Cup to me was the best two days of the year and to a degree still are. However (besides the pandemic, I believe they have it a disservice by constantly running it in California) I know that Keeneland has been thrown into the mix, but look at when they use to move it around. Woodbine, Gulfstream, Belmont, Mth.(I know that was a disaster because of the weather) It was held at Lone Star when it opened. There is no reason why they could not cut this back to the middle of October and move it around. It would be good for the game, have it at the Spa in the fall, did you see Santa Anita this year, I believe it was not sold out I could be wrong.
The synthetics are better and the traditionalists should stop and consider,,, they worry about the horses and they are being more transparent, the weather is more volatile but in terms of the gambler and the players, I know it always seems that they have lost touch and have gotten lost or left behind when it comes to horse racing. Cancellations hurt them. they lose money but safety is first and it should be And the Breeders Cup ... and moving it around.. it should be done.. only Del Mar, Santa Anita, Keenland and Churchill........its an international day...

I should say that since people are always criticizing the BC over site selection, it's worth noting that the BC is a private business that basically obtains its revenue from a single source. It isn't like the NFL, for instance, which can decide to hold a Super Bowl in New Jersey one year and make slightly less money on the game than they do when it is in LA, Miami, Las Vegas, or New Orleans, because they have tons of other money coming in.

So BC site selection isn't about "doing the right thing" and never has been. They found tracks that accommodate their demands, handle the logistics of the event, promote it, and allow them to make money. That's why they don't "move it around" anymore. I am not sure exactly what was different in the 2000's when they went to a ton of different tracks, but my hunch would be that either their demands were lighter or their expenses were lower such that the event could meet their profit targets at a larger number of tracks.

Whatever the reason though, you should understand that when you started seeing it rotate among 3 or 4 tracks it is because those 3 or 4 tracks are able to host a financially successful Breeders' Cup under whatever the definition of that is, and that going back to, say, Lone Star will not produce the same sort of financial success. If the formula for that was to move it around more, they would, but it clearly isn't. And as long as the BC is controlled by a separate entity that can't use it as a loss leader, that is going to continue to be the way things work.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

I admitted earlier in this thread that I gave you a pass. See post #48, when I posted

As far as TLG, I gave him a pass a while back



So theoretically I am out of line. I actually was giving you a pass and letting it go. Generally I don't get involved in feuds between posters anyhow. When Dennis Williams got involved, well I decided to get involved. Then Pa brings up his point, brought me in more. Robert (Jason) asks me a question, brings me in more. If I am going to post I have to explain my posts.

Hey you are free to do what you want. Just call it constructive criticism. If you are not on board, or think I am wrong and want no part of my recommended behavior and find no value in what I posted, that is your prerogative. What I posted earlier in the thread is my opinion and as usual, when I post, I feel like I am correct. Like I said earlier in this thread, I am glad you post.

I am not the forum police and I am not planning to address the subject again. So you carry on as you will. I will do the same, Ch will do the same and of course Pa will do the same.

It's not constructive criticism. It's judgement. Don't do it. At best, you might know a half story.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

I hope that I don't have to explain that that is far beyond unprofessional.

FAR BEYOND?

Really...I don't see it that way. In fact, I would say you are engaging in some pretty heavy duty hyperbole.

TLG isn't on the clock when he is posting here. And by no means was he FAR BEYOND professional in anything you quoted...IMO of course.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

FAR BEYOND?

Really...I don't see it that way. In fact, I would say you are engaging in some pretty heavy duty hyperbole.

TLG isn't on the clock when he is posting here. And by no means was he FAR BEYOND professional in anything you quoted...IMO of course.

I am more than happy to go toe to toe with you and argue this. I actually enjoy the process (as do you) so it is not a problem for me. That being said, I feel like it is time to put this subject to rest. As I implied in my last post, I technically should not have entered this thread based off of a previous post TLG quoted. So I am going to bow out of this thread, let you and TLG have the last word and leave well enough alone. I have made my point clear. If you disagree it is okay. If you think it is hyperbole, that is okay too. Run it by some friends and colleagues and see what they think. If I am wrong, I am wrong. It happens in most races I bet so it is nothing new.

[wiretowire68]

more or less, coming from a fan's perspective as oppose to the bean counters.