Trump signs tariffs

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by incoming

You are all for tariffs as long as they are placed on American goods and services.

He is much like the vast majority of his Millennial counterparts, aspects of socialism appeal to him. Tariffs against those leading the pack in socialism make the hair on the back of his neck stand up. The President is setting this thought back twenty years, and has undercut everything the Obama administration has ever done. These Tariff wars are the last vestige to them, soon they will disappear when fair trade becomes the norm.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by incoming

You are all for tariffs as long as they are placed on American goods and services.

I'm a free trader.

I don't like tariffs in general. That's why I favor agreements like NAFTA, TPP, etc. They lower trade barriers making it easier on both exporters and domestic consumers.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

He is much like the vast majority of his Millennial counterparts, aspects of socialism appeal to him.

Ooh boy...

This is so factually incorrect it's laughable.

I'm the one that would rather see the government completely out of trade and you're the one arguing to bring them in to make things fair...

Yet I'm the socialist?

[incoming]

Originally Posted by fast4522

He is much like the vast majority of his Millennial counterparts, aspects of socialism appeal to him. Tariffs against those leading the pack in socialism make the hair on the back of his neck stand up. The President is setting this thought back twenty years, and has undercut everything the Obama administration has ever done. These Tariff wars are the last vestige to them, soon they will disappear when fair trade becomes the norm.

The common sense approach that Trump uses is so simple it flies over the heads of most economist. If he restores our middle class and puts them on the road to recovery I don't care what he does. I will gladly pay the extra cost until the other countries come to their senses. I would rather see my friends and family working than someone in another country. Let them lineup behind the wall so we can pick the best qualified to enter legally.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by incoming

The common sense approach that Trump uses is so simple it flies over the heads of most economist. If he restores our middle class and puts them on the road to recovery I don't care what he does. I will gladly pay the extra cost until the other countries come to their senses. I would rather see my friends and family working than someone in another country. Let them lineup behind the wall so we can pick the best qualified to enter legally.

How does one "restore the middle class" by raising the price of the goods they already consume?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[fast4522]

Your impact on the last election was very predictable, fair trade was part of Trumps campaign and he won.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Your impact on the last election was very predictable, fair trade was part of Trumps campaign and he won.

More nothingness from the supporter of central planning.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Your impact on the last election was very predictable, fair trade was part of Trumps campaign and he won.

And those low information voters who had not the slightest idea about trade fell for that nonsense. Fair trade is whatever two private parties agree to. Anything else is political pandering to unions or big industry lobbyists.

The United States does not trade with China or Canada. US citizens and companies trade with Chinese or Canadian citizens and companies.

Why are those private trades the business of the federal government? Where in the Constitution is the authority of the federal government or the president to insure that trades between private parties are "fair"? Where in the Constitution is the definition of "fair trade"?

If the federal government has the authority to regulate "fair trade" between countries, why doesn't it have the authority to regulate "fair trade" between states?

[incoming]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

How does one "restore the middle class" by raising the price of the goods they already consume?

Inquiring minds want to know.

No you don't..... read some Shakespear..... that should keep you busy tomorrow.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by incoming

No you don't..... read some Shakespear..... that should keep you busy tomorrow.

Great comback!!!

As far as that dairy stuff goes... here is an old article from the very very conservative Americans for Tax Reform group on the issue...

https://www.atr.org/steep-cost-dairy-programs-a7138

These outdated programs inflate prices and put taxpayers on the hook for expensive subsidies while largely benefitting large-scale, high income farm operations.

• Federal Milk Marketing Order establishes four sets of products: liquid milk, ice cream and yogurt, cheese, butter and dry milk. Every month, the USDA sets a separate price for liquid milk in each of 10 established regions, with processors paying according to how it will be used. Each of the other product categories is given a nationwide price. This cartel system ensures limited competition and means that entrepreneurs are forbidden from selling below government mandated prices.

• Milk Price Support Program guarantees that the government will purchase any amount of cheese, butter, or nonfat dry milk from processors at a minimum price. This creates a steady demand and higher prices for dairy products.

• Milk Income Loss Contract Program distributes cash subsidies to milk producers when marketprices fall below a set limit. This program is the newest of the dairy programs, enacted for the first time in 2002.

• Tariff Rate Quotas impose a higher tariff rate on imports above a set volume limit. That limit is set at approximately 5% of US consumption, ensuring that US dairy producers are not threatened by overseas production.

• Dairy Export Incentive Program distributes cash subsidies to dairy producers who sell in foreign markets. This ensures that domestic producers have an incentive to sell abroad despite lower world prices.

I know nobody around here reads anything but @realdonaldtrump but give it a shot.

It's a whole wide world out there.

[incoming]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Great comback!!!

As far as that dairy stuff goes... here is an old article from the very very conservative Americans for Tax Reform group on the issue...

https://www.atr.org/steep-cost-dairy-programs-a7138



I know nobody around here reads anything but @realdonaldtrump but give it a shot.

It's a whole wide world out there.

No Thanks. For me...it's church....the us open and the markets open at 5 pm.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by incoming

No Thanks. For me...it's church....the us open and the markets open at 5 pm.

Of course you wouldn't.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Great comback!!!

As far as that dairy stuff goes... here is an old article from the very very conservative Americans for Tax Reform group on the issue...

https://www.atr.org/steep-cost-dairy-programs-a7138



I know nobody around here reads anything but @realdonaldtrump but give it a shot.

It's a whole wide world out there.

By reading @realdonaldtrump I realized he was talking about the high tariffs Canada puts on American dairy not American policy.

American dairy products don't make there way into the Canadian market because of high tariffs CANADA imposes. We also have marketing boards similar to yours.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

By reading @realdonaldtrump I realized he was talking about the high tariffs Canada puts on American dairy not American policy.

American dairy products don't make there way into the Canadian market because of high tariffs CANADA imposes. We also have marketing boards similar to yours.

So you have seen the impact of tariffs on consumers: high prices and limited choices. Yet you still think that Trump's tariffs will be good for Americans? Or are you just hoping that Americans will now share in the misery that you folks in the Great White North face?

You surely can't be naive enough to think that Trump's tariffs greatly increasing the cost of lumber to American consumers will somehow force the Canadian government to back down on dairy product tariffs.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Clocker

So you have seen the impact of tariffs on consumers: high prices and limited choices. Yet you still think that Trump's tariffs will be good for Americans? Or are you just hoping that Americans will now share in the misery that you folks in the Great White North face?
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Yes I want you to share the misery if that is fair.