GARY AND MARY WEST VS THE KY RACING COMMISSION

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by highnote

Yes. I see that Tapit has now sire at least 3 Belmont winners. I had stopped following U.S. racing for several years and missed that.

I wonder if the Tapit colts got their stamina from Tapit via the grand sires like A.P. Indy and Seattle Slew, or from the dam side?

I'd like to the speed Belmont speed figures of his colts that won.

Direct tracing of bloodlines, i.e., the approach behind Dosage, is not useless (I think you can argue that Commissioner's second place finish to Tonalist in the Belmont had something to do with his breeding, as did Jazil's victory in the race), but it isn't talismanic either.

Plenty of horses run beyond their breeding. If you had seen Imbros and Fleet Diver run, you wouldn't expect their offspring to get 1 1/4 miles, but in fact, Native Diver won the Hollywood Gold Cup three years in a row. Creme Fraiche was an excellent 1 1/2 mile horse who was really bred to be a miler. Snow Chief wasn't bred to go beyond 7 furlongs but won a couple of graded stakes at 1 1/4 miles as well as the Preakness at 1 3/16 miles.

Tapit, whatever his own distance limitations, obviously throws enough stamina to produce multiple winners at 1 1/2 miles. Once you see that, it really doesn't matter if you can't figure out where the influence came from.

[Tom]

Marsha, Mary....who gives a crap?
The side show is Gary, Gary, Gary!

[NY BRED]

I believe the summons which I posted may just place a dent
on the authority of the stewards at CD in the near future.

If not, I would believe Owners may begin looking for alternative races
with smaller fields,one gate , more suitable distances for their
promising three year olds.

Hopefully, the attorneys will present 145 years of DRF or Equibase
Derby result charts including the commentary section.

I would have to believe there will be statements about bumping, taking lanes etc.. which never resulted in a DQ,.

In turn there will be at least 8 other races x 145 years in which d q's did occur.

It will be interesting to see how this scenario plays out in Federal Court.

BTW, I understand the take to CD on losing Derby tickets in all
wagering ptions was many millions of dollars.

that may diminish when people cash in their max payoffs of 10.00 pert ticket
as offered by CD

[AskinHaskin]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

I believe the summons which I posted may just place a dent
on the authority of the stewards at CD in the near future.

No chance.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

If not, I would believe Owners may begin looking for alternative races
with smaller fields,one gate , more suitable distances for their
promising three year olds.

Again, no chance.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Hopefully, the attorneys will present 145 years of DRF or Equibase
Derby result charts including the commentary section.

Terrific, that amounts to barely more races than have ever been run at Century Mile, which opened April 28, 2019. Though unlike most of the Derbies, the races run to date at Century Mile are all preserved as evidence on quality video.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

It will be interesting to see how this scenario plays out in Federal Court.

No chance

Originally Posted by NY BRED

BTW, I understand the take to CD on losing Derby tickets in all
wagering ptions was many millions of dollars.

that may diminish when people cash in their max payoffs of 10.00 pert ticket
as offered by CD

You don’t understand at all.

The CD refund was no more than a controlled advertising gimmick, akin to being offered 3-to-1 on Winx IF ONLY you’d sign-up for Twin Spires.

In addition, the wagering public at large collectively received much more money after the DQ than they stood to receive had the original result stood.


Lastly, as Gary West has thus far proven himself to be too stupid to even identify which of his own runners was the best horse in the 2019 KY Derby, he is sure to win zero sympathy from the courts.

[NY BRED]

I'm done after this post.

Presuming we know the facts, the decision made by stewards at Churchill Downs
can not be questioned or debated by owners.

Why isn't this rule in play throughout the Triple Crown or at any other track???


Does Churchill have this ruling for the balance of their races? If not,
WHY NOT??


Perhaps owners will think twice before entering this "prestigious" event,which by the way,at least in my opinion has now been tainted.

Take you best shot, only if you are an owner with a promising
two year old,pointing for the 2020 Triple Crown.

[castaway01]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

I'm done after this post.

Presuming we know the facts, the decision made by stewards at Churchill Downs
can not be questioned or debated by owners.

Why isn't this rule in play throughout the Triple Crown or at any other track???


Does Churchill have this ruling for the balance of their races? If not,
WHY NOT??


Perhaps owners will think twice before entering this "prestigious" event,which by the way,at least in my opinion has now been tainted.

Take you best shot, only if you are an owner with a promising
two year old,pointing for the 2020 Triple Crown.

Other than you being angry I'm not sure what you're saying. But haven't you seen a DQ before? Fouls and penalties (and reviews, as any sports fan can tell you) happen in every sport, and this one wasn't really anything out of the ordinary except it happened in the Derby. If anything, since owners have a 95% chance of finishing 2 through 20 and 5% of winning, it would give them more confidence that if their horse gets fouled, action would actually be taken. I mean, that's simplified, but makes a lot more sense than whatever you are trying to argue.

[toddbowker]

Originally Posted by NY BRED

I'm done after this post.

Presuming we know the facts, the decision made by stewards at Churchill Downs can not be questioned or debated by owners.

If you are speaking about the disqualification in the Derby, the owners can certainly question or debate it, but they can't appeal the Steward's decision, as the Kentucky rule specifically states the Steward's decision is final in this particular situation.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Why isn't this rule in play throughout the Triple Crown or at any other track???

From a quick review, unless I've missed something, it appears an owner may be able to appeal this type of decision in Maryland (Preakness) and New York (Belmont).

Having said that, in my previous post I cited the specific rule in Indiana which is basically the same as Kentucky's, and I have worked in several other States where you also can't appeal an in-race disqualification. It does happen at many other tracks.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Does Churchill have this ruling for the balance of their races? If not, WHY NOT??

Again, it's not just Churchill Downs with this rule in Kentucky. All of the Kentucky tracks have to follow the same rule. It wasn't just for the Derby. It's all tracks and every race in Kentucky, by order of the State.

Originally Posted by NY BRED

Perhaps owners will think twice before entering this "prestigious" event,which by the way,at least in my opinion has now been tainted.

Take you best shot, only if you are an owner with a promising
two year old,pointing for the 2020 Triple Crown.

If you honestly think an owner with a Derby horse is going to skip the Derby, then no one here can help you.