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05-18-2011, 09:58 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Wilbon on PTI talks horse racing
"...horse racing is a joke right now. It is like boxing. It is a fraud."
"...the horsies at least get 2/3s of the way there, at least a lot of them, before they fall apart and choke like dogs."
Listen here
The horse racing part starts around 17:30 as they discuss what is easier, Triple Crown for horse racing or baseball.
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05-18-2011, 10:17 AM
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Wilbon has always hated horseracing. He's an avid bowler...i guess he's got enough excitement in his life 
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05-18-2011, 10:18 AM
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He is right.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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05-18-2011, 10:35 AM
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assholes
They are both assholes
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05-18-2011, 10:57 AM
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Like him or not, the guy is intelligent and he is mainstream. This is how the sport is perceived. Is her really even wrong? Sure, he could have been more diplomatic about it, but he was honest.
At least boxing can still get people to pay $50 to watch a fight.
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05-18-2011, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cj
Like him or not, the guy is intelligent and he is mainstream. This is how the sport is perceived. Is her really even wrong? Sure, he could have been more diplomatic about it, but he was honest.
At least boxing can still get people to pay $50 to watch a fight.
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Hey, credit where credit's due. The Breeders' Cup tried to attract that demographic last year.
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05-18-2011, 12:16 PM
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I like Wilbon. My litmus test always is could he have hung out with me in the streets of Brooklyn. A definitive yes when it comes to him I won't say what would have happened to Kornheiser.
Plus even though it was negative it's still a plug for racing and every little bit helps.
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05-18-2011, 02:26 PM
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Kornheiser supports it because he use to write with Beyer at the Washington Post. Wilbon is just a blowhard who likely never even watches horse racing anymore yet always has his opinion, and it's always the same.
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05-18-2011, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapid Grey
Kornheiser supports it because he use to write with Beyer at the Washington Post. Wilbon is just a blowhard who likely never even watches horse racing anymore yet always has his opinion, and it's always the same.
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Originally Posted by On Spec
About half of the other TVs in the store were already tuned to the basketball game. He wanted the race (which, granted, was over) off the sets. Even I don't think a horseback interview is as visually interesting as an NBA playoff game, but the upcoming replays of the race could have been nice.
Just noting a lack of interest of shoppers and those who sell to them.
it is sad, but i think the love of the game clouds the perception of most of the members on this board as to how to little the modern american puplic cares about horseracing.
stand in times square and take a survey by asking the name of this years kentucky derby winner or his jock.
any guesses as to what % would would know either ?
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05-18-2011, 02:40 PM
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"stand in times square and take a survey by asking the name of this years kentucky derby winner or his jock.
any guesses as to what % would would know either ?"
Couldn't you say the exact same thing about the major sports too?
Who's playing in the NHL playoffs?
Name me two players on the Mets?
Who won the Masters this year?
What sport does the Oklahoma City Thunder play in?
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05-18-2011, 02:46 PM
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Wilbon: Spending Saturdays With Father Handicapping
On a recent PTI program, Mike stated that he continually denigrates horse-racing in part to upset Tony. He also conceded that his best memories of childhood were spending Saturdays with his father handicapping the weekend's upcoming races.
In fact, on most broadcasts, he expresses ongoing frustration that two of his favorite sports from childhood - boxing and horse-racing - are no longer in the ascendant.
John
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05-18-2011, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapid Grey
"stand in times square and take a survey by asking the name of this years kentucky derby winner or his jock.
any guesses as to what % would would know either ?"
Couldn't you say the exact same thing about the major sports too?
Who's playing in the NHL playoffs?
Name me two players on the Mets?
Who won the Masters this year?
What sport does the Oklahoma City Thunder play in?
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If the horse racing industry is trying to package this game and present it to the masses as a "spectator sport"...then they are doomed to failure. Those days are over!
This is a GAMBLING GAME...and its future depends on whether or not the nation's GAMBLERS consider it to be a game worth betting on.
I say, forget about trying to shove this game down the general public's throat...the general public couldn't care less about it.
There are enough GAMBLERS in this country to support ALL the gambling games in existence...provided that these games are honest, and priced fairly takeout-wise.
Unfortunately - in its current state - our game gets very low grades in both these categories...so it doesn't appeal to the gambling masses either.
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Last edited by thaskalos; 05-18-2011 at 03:00 PM.
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05-18-2011, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
If the horse racing industry is trying to package this game and present it to the masses as a "spectator sport"...then they are doomed to failure. Those days are over!
This is a GAMBLING GAME...and its future depends on whether or not the nation's GAMBLERS consider it to be a game worth betting on.
I say, forget about trying to shove this game down the general public's throat...the general public couldn't care less about it.
There are enough GAMBLERS in this country to support ALL the gambling games in existence...provided that these games are honest, and priced fairly takeout-wise.
Unfortunately - in its current state - our game gets very low grades in both these categories...so it doesn't appeal to the gambling masses either.
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agree !!! we also need to get the government out of making moral decisions and off the back of gamblers.
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05-18-2011, 03:13 PM
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There is over $10 billion bet on Thoroughbred horse racing every year.
Just because mainstream America doesn't care about the Peter Pan doesn't mean racing is dead, just as mainstream America doesn't care who wins the Pocono 500. Auto racing gets headlines a few times a year, and is on network tv here and there. We may not like it, but does that mean that's dead too?
Horse racing will never be what it was, which is what bothers most of the hand-wringers. But some bozo on ESPN trashes it, for whatever reason, and his opinion means something?
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05-18-2011, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by The Hawk
There is over $10 billion bet on Thoroughbred horse racing every year.
Just because mainstream America doesn't care about the Peter Pan doesn't mean racing is dead, just as mainstream America doesn't care who wins the Pocono 500. Auto racing gets headlines a few times a year, and is on network tv here and there. We may not like it, but does that mean that's dead too?
Horse racing will never be what it was, which is what bothers most of the hand-wringers. But some bozo on ESPN trashes it, for whatever reason, and his opinion means something?
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Auto racing does not depend on the wagers of its fans in order to survive.
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