Vyjack AQU 3

[deathandgravity]

Good to see him back, hope he is all healed up from his gastric ulcers.

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by deathandgravity

Good to see him back, hope he is all healed up from his gastric ulcers.

Hopefully he won't need a lot of nsaids or they will be right back again .

[1st time lasix]

Is it me....or does this horse always cock his head one way. Always seems to be rank....or at least bothered by the whole affair.

[DeltaLover]

The class drop allowed him to win although it seems that his best days belong to the past. Most likely he will burn loads of dollars if entered again with the companies he used to compete against....

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

The class drop allowed him to win although it seems that his best days belong to the past. Most likely he will burn loads of dollars if entered again with the companies he used to compete against....

He is probably a grade 3 stakes horse. I don't think he can run with grade 1s.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

The class drop allowed him to win although it seems that his best days belong to the past. Most likely he will burn loads of dollars if entered again with the companies he used to compete against....

Class drop? It was his first start in nine months and a clear prep race. Given they are pointing to the Met Mile, where he figures to be over 10:1, perhaps "burning loads of money" isn't a great prediction, at least in relative terms.

He's a very nice horse that might actually be OK if given a fair chance, and in my opinion, run in races of eight furlongs or less.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Class drop? It was his first start in nine months and a clear prep race. Given they are pointing to the Met Mile, where he figures to be over 10:1, perhaps "burning loads of money" isn't a great prediction, at least in relative terms.

He's a very nice horse that might actually be OK if given a fair chance, and in my opinion, run in races of eight furlongs or less.

When a horse is running against allowance company while his last races were all for graded stakes I think that, yes, there is a class drop. I do not buy the prep race argument either, as in modern times, a trainer does not want to waste a race so easily for prep reasons. I really think that this horse was always overrated and has no chance against G1 fields. He certainly has some talent and can be qualified as a 'very nice horse' (whatever this means) but he is also a notch lower than the top. He can always try but I see his chances really slim!

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

When a horse is running against allowance company while his last races were all for graded stakes I think that, yes, there is a class drop. I do not buy the prep race argument either, as in modern times, a trainer does not want to waste a race so easily for prep reasons. I really think that this horse was always overrated and has no chance against G1 fields. He certainly has some talent and can be qualified as a 'very nice horse' (whatever this means) but he is also a notch lower than the top. He can always try but I see his chances really slim!

No, prudent trainers find prep races even for good horses coming off long layoffs. That is obviously what happened here.

The rest were just a bunch of opinions, none of which I was responding to before. All I really did was refute your incorrect notion that he would somehow be a short price in a race like the Met Mile ( his clearly stated next objective ).I doubt you will find a lot of posters, or any, that expect him to be a major player in the handicap division.

In fairness, he did lose the Wood by one length last year, falling just short of Normandy Invasion.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

When a horse is running against allowance company while his last races were all for graded stakes I think that, yes, there is a class drop. I do not buy the prep race argument either, as in modern times, a trainer does not want to waste a race so easily for prep reasons. I really think that this horse was always overrated and has no chance against G1 fields. He certainly has some talent and can be qualified as a 'very nice horse' (whatever this means) but he is also a notch lower than the top. He can always try but I see his chances really slim!

Let me add, I'm not his biggest fan either. I've always found him a bit overrated as well. I would like to see him try 7F races. I think that would be his best chance to shine.

[Cholly]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Class drop? It was his first start in nine months and a clear prep race. Given they are pointing to the Met Mile, where he figures to be over 10:1, perhaps "burning loads of money" isn't a great prediction, at least in relative terms.

He's a very nice horse that might actually be OK if given a fair chance, and in my opinion, run in races of eight furlongs or less.

I'm really looking forward to the Met Mile! Who else do you hear is pointing to this?

Any chance the so-called horse of the year will venture out of his small-pond/comfort zone and jump in with the big dogs?

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by the little guy

No, prudent trainers find prep races even for good horses coming off long layoffs. That is obviously what happened here.

I think that what you say here is also an opinion unless you can back it with any hard data that I would like to hear about and also about the procedures you are following to convert what lools like an opinion to a fact.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

I think that what you say here is also an opinion unless you can back it with any hard data that I would like to hear about and also about the procedures you are following to convert what lools like an opinion to a fact.

Now you're being ridiculous. Of course an allowance race, after a nine month layoff, being used to prepare a horse for a Grade 1 engagement, is considered a prep. In fact, it's the very definition of the term.

Geez.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Cholly

I'm really looking forward to the Met Mile! Who else do you hear is pointing to this?

Any chance the so-called horse of the year will venture out of his small-pond/comfort zone and jump in with the big dogs?

I can't imagine it won't be a star studded lineup. Hopefully Wise Dan will enter. Hard to think of a better spot if the plan to run him on dirt.

[maclr11]

I think Goldencents will probably show up, he's been trying to get into a race in California but his "preps" won't fill.

[Robert Fischer]

Vyjack ran pretty good. That wasn't a terrible comeback effort.

The horse who lead in that race may be a good bet back. He kind of got away early and it put pressure on Vyjack.

The only weakness I saw was idling/looking-out a little on the turn. He out-performed the place horse, but the margin could have been larger.