didn't want to ruin dilane's excellent online poker thread by bringing up the name roy cooke, but I did feel certain themes from the thread tied in with mr cooke's January 21
card player article
optimizing value.
http://www.cardplayer.com/cardplayer...timizing-value
in particular:
(1) dilanesp's statement that "playing exclusively live tends to cause people to believe some very wrong things about poker."
(2) thaskalos's query about the relative ease of 2/5 games in the west.
(3) live tells.
from my own proximity poker tour thread last year I showed better results in limit than no limit. although I must respect the results of 90 no limit games I think I experienced more than my share of bad luck in no limit. also being a devoted reader of the bart hanson articles in
card player i'm cognizant of value betting the river but still overall I feel that I do a better job of value betting in the limit games.
in this column, mr cooke is firing out the 1-2 nl equivalent of $84 on the river and in many games I play in I wouldn't expect a hand as weak as 88 to call this bet.
in fact the other day in a nl game i had a short stacked bluff attempt picked off by 88 on a similar board by a player that i feel is probably below average for the 1-2 level but who indicated after the hand that (even) he would've dropped on the flop (let alone calling $56 turn and $84 river bets) if i was deeper.
still i wonder if my own experience of coming up in some of the tougher no limit games at the racino, while callousing me, maybe also led me to "believe some very wrong things about poker???"
note that roy's game was in vegas and i'd be interested in hearing how track collector or some other mid atlantic players would've approached this hand.
finally about the tell. when roy was about to bet the other player reached for chips in a way that roy almost 100% read as a defensive "don't do it... let me show down the hand cheap..."
i do see this in the limit games sometimes and power through anyhow but i'm throwing out $6 there, not $84 with top pair, king kicker.
anyhow, just some thoughts about the article and my own fishy play.