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Old 05-06-2018, 12:26 PM   #76
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Has anyone ever quantified straight win betting on entries and an ROI?
Hey Paul

I did some digging regarding the coupled entries at Belmont just focusing on the 1/1A's from April 2017 up to May of 2018.



I found that there were 100 horses altogether which amounted to 50 betting interests of coupled entries for 1/1A which works out to a cost of $50 per $2 win wager

From April 30, 2017 up to May 4th, 2018 betting the coupled entry 1/1A gave a return of $72 you actually made 144% on your money!!!

Let's keep an eye on the coupled entries this year at Belmont and focus on the 1/1A combos!!!

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Old 05-06-2018, 09:40 PM   #77
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Hey Paul

I did some digging regarding the coupled entries at Belmont just focusing on the 1/1A's from April 2017 up to May of 2018.



I found that there were 100 horses altogether which amounted to 50 betting interests of coupled entries for 1/1A which works out to a cost of $50 per $2 win wager

From April 30, 2017 up to May 4th, 2018 betting the coupled entry 1/1A gave a return of $72 you actually made 144% on your money!!!

Let's keep an eye on the coupled entries this year at Belmont and focus on the 1/1A combos!!!
So sorry Paul, 50 betting interests at $2 per wager is $100 not $50 my bad so you’re getting a 22% return on your money and not a 144% return!!!

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Old 05-10-2018, 12:27 PM   #78
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So sorry Paul, 50 betting interests at $2 per wager is $100 not $50 my bad so youíre getting a 22% return on your money and not a 144% return!!!
You're losing 28%, are you not?

$100 wagered, $72 returned...$28 loss
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Old 05-10-2018, 04:53 PM   #79
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You're losing 28%, are you not?

$100 wagered, $72 returned...$28 loss
Hey Pace

The total win payout was $122 so $100 wagered gives you a 22% return per $2 win wager

So it was my bad I was thinking the return was $72 but should have only been $22

Sorry for the mix up bro!!!
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Old 05-19-2018, 11:01 AM   #80
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There are 2 coupled entries entered today at Belmont

1st race
#1 Romani / 1A Abyssinian

7th race
#1 Grand Sky / 1A Summer Bourbon

Let's see how they do today provided they stay coupled entries at race time!!!
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Old 05-19-2018, 09:44 PM   #81
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There are 2 coupled entries entered today at Belmont

1st race
#1 Romani / 1A Abyssinian

7th race
#1 Grand Sky / 1A Summer Bourbon

Let's see how they do today provided they stay coupled entries at race time!!!
Although, #1A Abyssinian got the win it will not qualify for the study!!!

Congratulations to those who saw the play and were able to make a profit!!!
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Old 05-20-2018, 07:51 AM   #82
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Different-owner/same-trainer entries running uncoupled gives at least the appearance of potential dishonesty and should not be allowed.

Hey, I remember that running of the Beldame at Belmont in which John Nerud had six horses that ran as a single betting interest - and none of them won (the best of them finished second).
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Old 05-20-2018, 12:51 PM   #83
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Different-owner/same-trainer entries running uncoupled gives at least the appearance of potential dishonesty and should not be allowed.

Hey, I remember that running of the Beldame at Belmont in which John Nerud had six horses that ran as a single betting interest - and none of them won (the best of them finished second).
Hey Thomas,

You want to talk about dishonesty how about Brown entering 18 horses in 1 day a few years ago at Saratoga I was thoroughly disgusted!!!

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...d.php?t=133128

He only had 2 winners that day but he picked up over 1 Million in purse money!!!

If it's not some type of Allowance Optional Claiming race I don't think he cares!!!
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Old 09-13-2018, 05:48 PM   #84
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Hey Paul

I did some digging regarding the coupled entries at Belmont just focusing on the 1/1A's from April 2017 up to May of 2018.



I found that there were 100 horses altogether which amounted to 50 betting interests of coupled entries for 1/1A which works out to a cost of $50 per $2 win wager

From April 30, 2017 up to May 4th, 2018 betting the coupled entry 1/1A gave a return of $72 you actually made 144% on your money!!!

Let's keep an eye on the coupled entries this year at Belmont and focus on the 1/1A combos!!!
I will continue to keep track of the 1/1A combos at Belmont and also take a look at those whose Morning Lines are less than 3-1!!!

Thereís a coupled entry tomorrow in the 1st race

1st race
#1 Old Upstart /
#1A Orpheus


Letís see if one of these can get the win tomorrow at Belmont!!!
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Is there any way to check uncoupled entries? I just find, that the longer half of the uncoupled entry for whatever reason runs better, the cheaper the race.
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Old 09-13-2018, 08:33 PM   #86
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50 bets @2 is $100 not 50


I assume the Odds column is the ML?


Win amt? Payoff - $2
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50 bets @2 is $100 not 50


I assume the Odds column is the ML?


Win amt? Payoff - $2
Hey Alton,


The Odds column is Morning Line

also $50 per $2 win wager = $100 you are correct so $122 total win amount at $100 cost gets you to 22%

Good catch bro I will correct that!!!

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Is there any way to check uncoupled entries? I just find, that the longer half of the uncoupled entry for whatever reason runs better, the cheaper the race.
Hey Frost,

Do you mean coupled entries that got scratched and were left as singles in a race?
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There's another coupled entry in the 9th race today at Belmont

9th race

#1 Data Dependent
#1A Supercommittee


Let's see if Brown and Violette can get the win!!!
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:59 PM   #90
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There's another coupled entry in the 9th race today at Belmont

9th race

#1 Data Dependent
#1A Supercommittee


Let's see if Brown and Violette can get the win!!!
The coupled entry disappointed yesterday and finished 2nd as the Morning Line Favorites overall had a very tough day!!!

Let's continue to track this situation for the rest of the Belmont season!!!
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