Formely Matt Carothers thread, but hijacked by Vic

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by TrackingTVG

Sorry that my post got deleted. I thought I was being nice compared to what I could say.

But explaining the whole story---

About a year ago, during Saratoga, I decided I was gonna set up a twitter account and track the TVG "experts" plays. We all know they suck, but I wanted to see just how much they suck. Keep in mind, I wasnt being a dick about it--- I wasnt trying to make enemies, I just wanted to track the results.

Well, when they were very predictably bad, I got a lot of heat from people at TVG- between the on air personalities and the producers. Alot of people messaging me, alot of people giving me excuses about bankroll limitations, etc. But the bottom line- Everyone but a few did HORRIBLY. Thats fine.. I expected the backlash.

Some people were sooo gracious, and actually said they liked me tracking the results- Dave Weaver, Meghan Devine, the dude who announces at Pompano, etc. etc. Basically, the people who enjoy handicapping and are in it for the right reasons.

At the same time, I interact with these guys in real life. They are all accessible when they are at the track. Some wanna talk, some dont.

My friend calls me one day... they are talking shit about you on the air. Mike Joyce and Todd Schrupp.... absolutely rag on me, saying I have no life, etc.

Most of the TVG guys blocked me just for posting the results. I talked to Joaquin at Saratoga and he told me some people were real upset/bothered by the postings.

Well... on twitter, Mike Joyce continues to trash me. We've been going back and forth for a year now-- He defended the guy who beat up the horses at Delaware... he defended the jockey situation at GP with Rajiv's family, saying he didn't deserve the suspension. He just doesn't care about the horses or the integrity of the sport. Often times, we interact and its reasonable---usually starts with him defending himself cause he is just on the air "cause of how handsome he is", and ends with agreeing to disagree.



Fast forward to this month, and a horse that I am very fond of (Bunyaan) needs help. He was running 30K claimers at Belmont and even won a race in April. In the beginning of May, he clearly got hurt in a race at Belmont and got pulled up 1/4 in the mile. EVer since that race, Persaud ran him once and then just gave him away to a low level trainer at Finger Lakes. At Finger Lakes, he has been running 5K claimers--- He has beaten 1 horse total in his last 5 races. Hes not okay... He is hurt, and doesnt want to run anymore.

I am ttrying to get him help--- I reach out to people in the industry who can help me get him a good home. The trainer said I could buy him from him for $1000, but the vet costs would be too much for me. I went on twitter for help.

I ask Mike nicely 3 times if he can just retweet it for me.. That Bunyaan needs our help and needs to find a good home to be retired. He ignored me and than blocked me.

I can insult him and argue back and forth with him for a year, and he doesnt block me, but the second I ask for the help for a horses well being, he blocked me.

Shows his true colors and what he really cares about ($$$)

I don't suck. I have a massive positive ROI in everything I've done on TVG. Check Marks as well as Pick 3's, 4's & 5's.

Documented if you'd like to see.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I don't suck. I have a massive positive ROI in everything I've done on TVG. Check Marks as well as Pick 3's, 4's & 5's.

Documented if you'd like to see.

I'd like to see, if you don't mind....

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I'd like to see, if you don't mind....

It will be a massive undertaking because I will have to piece it together from my notes and charts.

Also, some of the bigger hits were back when I was doing morning shifts and calling the races in the afternoon at Hollywood Park.

It was sometime around 2004 to 2006 I hit a nice Pick 6. Can't remember exactly but it was over $10,000.

So actually that one hit goes a long way to covering everything.

However, I've also hit some other good stuff.

I do know I'm known for having hit 4 check mark winners that paid over $70.00.

A researcher and I were talking about that the other day.

I'll see what I can compile.

What I'm totally willing to do is keep track of everything I do going forward. Check marks for the win ROI and multiple race wagers. If it doesn't show a profit between now and when I go back to Oaklawn. I'll give Tracking TVG his $1000 to help Bunyaan or whatever horse he'd like.

Deal?

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Mike Joyce is VERY high on the list of "good guys ( and gals )" in racing.

Where are you and me on that list?

[TrackingTVG]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

It will be a massive undertaking because I will have to piece it together from my notes and charts.

Also, some of the bigger hits were back when I was doing morning shifts and calling the races in the afternoon at Hollywood Park.

It was sometime around 2004 to 2006 I hit a nice Pick 6. Can't remember exactly but it was over $10,000.

So actually that one hit goes a long way to covering everything.

However, I've also hit some other good stuff.

I do know I'm known for having hit 4 check mark winners that paid over $70.00.

A researcher and I were talking about that the other day.

I'll see what I can compile.

What I'm totally willing to do is keep track of everything I do going forward. Check marks for the win ROI and multiple race wagers. If it doesn't show a profit between now and when I go back to Oaklawn. I'll give Tracking TVG his $1000 to help Bunyaan or whatever horse he'd like.

Deal?

Its gonna be too late for Bunyaan... as his trainer told me that when he goes on the market soon, it will be "first come first serve."... He said they "USUALLY get reputable guys to buy the horse."

Doesn't sound too convincing.

As for the $$... The $1000 is not the problem. Its the vet costs that come with a sore fetlock joint. He likely has huge problems in his knees right now. As anyone with horses knows, the vet bills can really add up.

[TrackingTVG]

And Vic, if you werent posting picks in the summer/fall of 2017, I likely didn't track you.

The bottom line... most of your fellow co workers are trash when it comes to selections or any kind of knowledge.


Rich Perloff just posted a pick 4 ticket: 3 deep in every race.... the first race of the pick 4 were the 3 favorite betting selections. Absolutely horrible ticket structure.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by turfnsport

I will add that Matt has been doing basically the same job for 20 years. Whether you like his style or not, he still brings it enthusiastically day after day and you have to give him credit for that.

A LOT of credit for that. Some would say. Hey he's being paid to be on TV. How tough can that be? I get that to a point. However, to still come across as though you're pumped about being there. Excited about a Tuesday off the turf card at Parx. And do it every time for 20 years is IMO very classy and impressive.

I've NEVER heard anyone at TVG say a bad word about Matt. He's never been anything but 100% gracious, helpful and professional with me.

Echo those exact sentiments from me about Mike Joyce.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by TrackingTVG

Its gonna be too late for Bunyaan... as his trainer told me that when he goes on the market soon, it will be "first come first serve."... He said they "USUALLY get reputable guys to buy the horse."

Doesn't sound too convincing.

As for the $$... The $1000 is not the problem. Its the vet costs that come with a sore fetlock joint. He likely has huge problems in his knees right now. As anyone with horses knows, the vet bills can really add up.

Vet bills add up if you're trying to keep a horse in training. Making him comfortable in his retirement is relatively inexpensive.

[ReplayRandall]

I had a good time with Dave Weaver at the NHC, earlier in the year, gambling side by side at the TI, while talking horses and life in general......Great guy.

[TrackingTVG]

Originally Posted by the little guy

Mike Joyce is VERY high on the list of "good guys ( and gals )" in racing.

Coming from you, Andy, that means absolutely nothing.

You, just like Mike, feel a sense of entitlement despite your selections and opinions being badly wrong. Didn't you, yourself, block the person on twitter just cause they were tracking your record? LMAO. Talk about not being able to face the music.

[TrackingTVG]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I had a good time with Dave Weaver at the NHC, earlier in the year, gambling side by side at the TI, while talking horses and life in general......Great guy.

Dave is pure class. As is Meghan Devine and Brittany Eurton. Hell, Paul Loduca was and always has been too. Its too bad he had to go associate himself with a longterm loser like Serling though.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by TrackingTVG

And Vic, if you werent posting picks in the summer/fall of 2017, I likely didn't track you.

The bottom line... most of your fellow co workers are trash when it comes to selections or any kind of knowledge.


Rich Perloff just posted a pick 4 ticket: 3 deep in every race.... the first race of the pick 4 were the 3 favorite betting selections. Absolutely horrible ticket structure.

Now you're switching from "they all suck" to "most". It seems like you've really got a ax to grind with everything TVG. Hope I haven't contributed to that.

Regarding knocking Rich's Pick 4. What if he has 3 favorites to start the sequence and many long shots in the subsequent 3 legs? That wouldn't be horrible ticket structure.

IMO Rich does a damn good job not only trying to keep people in action and alive. He puts his heart and soul into his Monday & Tuesday shifts.

Uses a lot of time trying to teach the intricacies of how he arrives on the horses he likes.

I can tell you from having sat in that chair myself. It's a personal choice to go the extra mile and try to present quality programming.

He could just phone it in, read back the Racing Form, but he doesn't. He tries to offer solid content every shift.

Rich, like Matt, is also a TVG lifer. And one hell of a Thespian.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I had a good time with Dave Weaver at the NHC, earlier in the year, gambling side by side at the TI, while talking horses and life in general......Great guy.

"Dream" Weaver. Many people say the TVG hosts aren't horse players just like the rest of us. Dave perhaps more so than anybody belies that statement. He's in the trenches, firing away at the windows, with as much passion as any other, card carrying, broken down horse player.

I've seen Dave at several tournaments, big money tourneys, as well as the NHC.

At the NHC they put me in a off room way back in the corner every year Randall.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by TrackingTVG

Coming from you, Andy, that means absolutely nothing.

You, just like Mike, feel a sense of entitlement despite your selections and opinions being badly wrong. Didn't you, yourself, block the person on twitter just cause they were tracking your record? LMAO. Talk about not being able to face the music.

Is there anybody you DON'T hate?

Not trying to be overly critical but sheesh.

Do we know each other?

I have an idea who you are. But it's just a guess.

Send me a PM. I will respect your privacy with the rest of the Forum.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by TrackingTVG

Coming from you, Andy, that means absolutely nothing.

You, just like Mike, feel a sense of entitlement despite your selections and opinions being badly wrong. Didn't you, yourself, block the person on twitter just cause they were tracking your record? LMAO. Talk about not being able to face the music.

The opinion here that means nothing is yours. You have zero credibility. I am comfortable with mine and my contributions to the game, both in general and on a daily basis. How you and your pathetic pals choose to evaluate me is of zero interest to me other than occasional comic relief.

The very idea that you believe you have the right to tell others how to behave is utterly laughable. You don't actually know me, or Mike Joyce, or anybody really, yet somehow think you are entitled to judge us. Good luck with that.

The internet gave you a supposed voice. That doesn't automatically make it one of value.